General 5th Generation Legend

Discussion in '5th Generation (2014) [Acura RLX]' started by Blues Legend, Wednesday 12th Nov, 2014.

  1. Blues Legend Senior Member ★ ★ ☆ ☆ ☆

    Just to remind people that the KC2 is now on sale in Japan:

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    There is a rumour that it is going worldwide - including Europe, surprisingly.

    Apparently the Acura version is a great drive; it can torque-vector on deceleration thanks to the electric drive.

    It's fully-loaded too.

    Any takers?
     
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  2. Ichiban Founder Staff Team

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    The KC2 if it did come here will at least give the line up some depth, I can't see more than a 100 sold a year in the UK.

    I may have to create the KC2 section on HK.:BooYeah:
     
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  3. DeviateDefiant Co-Founder Staff Team

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    Mate, I'm eagerly awaiting this. While I know I couldn't even finance one new imported from Japan, it's my dream car to get used once the prices drop a little.
     
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  4. John Dickson Expert Advisor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

    That has to come to Europe. It HAS to! :fingerscrossed:
     
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  5. Ichiban Founder Staff Team

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    It will but will it sell?
     
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  6. Mr Honda Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    The Hybrid option could see it sell because that's what getting big Lexus sold, AWD will help too!! I'd like to see it, but highly doubt it, I mean, we're not even seeing a replacement Accord.
     
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    It has to be Hybrid or a diesel otherwise there's no point in the UK. Not just for fuel economy but also emissions, tax etc.
     
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  8. John Dickson Expert Advisor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

    Well if they spend all that money developing it and don't have the decency to give it a half decent launch and proper ad campaign then, in short, no. (sounds familiar - 8th Generation Accord)

    Here is where Honda need to take a valuable lesson from Infiniti. Infiniti have still to establish themselves here in Europe and UK so they are head on getting the Infiniti brand out everywhere they can. Infiniti may well not meet sales targets for the first few years till they cut their niche in the market, get established and the market works out who/what they are.

    They need to have a full bore, head on attack at the German cars.

    They need realistic sales targets as well. Starting off with a "We'll sell 100,000 of these in UK in first year...." is a non-starter and is non-realistic (Are you listening HUK and Itosan?). By their very nature cars in this class do not sell massive volumes because of their price tag - you're automatically cutting right down the numbers of customers who can afford them.

    How many S Class Mercs sell per year? 7 Series? A6/A8? Lexus LS? Probably not that many as people do not in general have the means to afford them. This is where a decent, broad brand range comes in. The lower range models pay the bills, keep the company going but you also need the high end performance and/or luxury models to get the "Look this what we can do...." effect. How many council spec. Audi A3s sell because of the R8 or A8?

    There must be a decent enough chunk of the motor buying public who do not want a German saloon or an SUV.....
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    This is what killed the last Legend in the UK. Realistically diesel is not cheaper motoring but it's the general public perception "Go diesel save a fortune and save the planet..." Nonsense but that is the general consensus of opinion.

    As a recent convert to I-DTEC Accord I've since bought a holiday villa in Monaco on fuel cost savings alone..... hang on a sec....... Oh yes, really I've just saved enough to pay for a taxi to the pub and back now.....just!

    Economical running costs only available on Hybrid as you get energy back from braking, lifting off the juice etc. I can see hybrid Legend having a successful (that does not mean massive sales HUK) future in UK.
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    It's the general public perception of diesel economy and lower taxation that helps the diesel market. Once the massive public health concerns over diesel emissions have been researched further and Euro 6 and the Euro 7 take a full hold and the technology problems bite with the technology needed to make diesel pass emissions then the petrol and petrol hybrid will be back to the fore. Apparently petrols outsold diesels this year for this reason alone.
     
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  9. ArcticFire-Account Closed Banned Getting Started

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    Unfortunately, it seems that this is all that matters these days in order to sell cars. They should have had a diesel to please the masses and company car drivers and make the big sales, but also have the big petrol for the connoisseurs. Same with the CR-V, diesel for the masses but where the hell was the 2.4 petrol for the connoisseurs?
     
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  10. John Dickson Expert Advisor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

    Exactly Graham - it is essential to have the models that bring the sales and hence revenue in but the niche models are also a major part of any brand. Look at the Toyota GT86 - a classic example of what you are talking about.

    Toyota openly admitted they wanted that car in the showrooms not because they were expecting it to sell massive volumes (it may only break even....if that) but it was the pull factor of the car they wanted. A senior manager said that the GT86 was to pull customers in to the showroom to look at it but then drive off in a Auris hybrid.
     
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  11. ArcticFire-Account Closed Banned Getting Started

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    I can see the logic, seems similar to when manufacturers advertise their racing heritage because I'm sure it's to make people think that if they can build formula 1 cars then they must know what they are doing etc.
     
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  12. John Dickson Expert Advisor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

    Yes and I think a major part of the Honda problems today are due to them pulling out of F1. I can fully understand why they did it at the time - global recession etc.
     
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  13. Sadsack Senior Member ★ ★ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    I love this car. Looks amazing.

    Anyone have an idea how to import from overseas and what sort of costs you'd be looking at?

    Just thinking.....
     
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  14. Blues Legend Senior Member ★ ★ ☆ ☆ ☆

    Knock yourself out:

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    It will be costly to get it through SVA, because there will be no model report for it.

    Notice the lack of headlight washers with LEDs; I THINK that's OK because that's the way it was made and possibly it doesn't have auto-levelling. There was a theory that would be a problem, but some say no. But that might only apply to old bangers, where a model report is no longer required.

    Then there's shipping and VAT. You'd best contact a JDM import specialist to get the real costs together.
     
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  17. Kash Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    Is it me or is this car just a tad ugly?
     
  18. Blues Legend Senior Member ★ ★ ☆ ☆ ☆

    It's awful and far worse than the KB - see the Volvo S90 for how an E-segment FWDer can look.

    That, plus the hybrid system taking up half the boot mean that it sells in penny numbers and makes absolutely no sense whatsoever and proves the Japanese haven't a clue about how to do a luxury car. Hence half the Acura team walking out...

    Which makes the car even more perversely attractive as a herioic failure!
     
  19. Kash Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    I think the technology is there but not the execution. I think Lexus' new products are there or thereabouts.
     
  20. Blues Legend Senior Member ★ ★ ☆ ☆ ☆

    Well, I understand with the eSH-AWD, it drives terrifically - aside from the usual dead EPS.

    But the badfy-unresolved styling, FWD proportions and an invented brand mean it's doomed.