General Bewildered wannabee Accord owner seeks help please!

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by largeruk, Wednesday 8th May, 2013.

  1. largeruk Junior Member ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

    Happy Birthday to me and hello to you..!

    Hi to all

    I joined the forum a little while ago but forgot to post on the 'Introduce yourself' section so what better day to make my first post on my birthday! :Wave: (Those auto-generated Happy Birthday emails from forum adminstrators really do work as a prompt sometimes..:GoodJob:!

    Like a few members I suspect, I've joined the forum not because I'm existing Accord owner but because I'm intending to become one. To explain a little - my daughter and I regularly have to make 400 mile round trips to/from a specialist hospital. We also have to carry quite a bit of medical equipment on each trip. We used to do this journey in an 03 Passat 1.9 130 until some idiot piled into the back of me at high speed on the M1 and wrote it off. Thank god my daughter wasn't in the car at the time. A very kind friend has been lending us his Volvo V40 to make the trips but needs the car back soon.

    So, I'm in need a car that's cheap to run (fuel/tax/insurance/maintenance), ultra reliable (given my daughter's health, this is a must), safe (ditto), smooth and quiet at motorway speeds (it's tiring travelling such distances!), had most of the major jobs done to it (unplanned expenditure is my nightmare!) and an estate. As a single parent, funds aren't exactly flush - even more so since my insurance gave me a pittance for the Passat - so my budget is pretty low: £1,500 - £2,500 (perhaps £3k at a real push). Given all that, I thought a 7th Generation, diesel Accord Tourer might suit our needs and budget.

    I'd like to ask members for their thoughts - both on the Accord (I don't yet know much about the car but am learning fast from reading posts by the clearly knowledgeable and helpful members on here) and maybe even other potential candidates. I'm not sure what to look out for, what to ask, what to check has been replaced & when etc.

    I'd also like to ask for some guidance about the best places to try and get an Accord Tourer. I'm scarred by a previous dealer experience (not that my budget really fits with dealer prices!) and I've looked in all the usual places (eBay. Gumtree, Auto Trader ET al) but frankly it's a minefield and I'm lost. I am honest about my own abilities and I'm no mechanic or car expert, and am finding the whole business of trying to find the 'right' car extremely stressful and time consuming. As a full-time carer of my daughter, it's not easy to find the time to do what it takes. Are there any reliable, friendly people out there who might help or point me in the right direction? I'd truly appreciate any advice or assistance anyone can offer.

    Many many thanks to all :Thumbup:
     
  2. Paul Expert Advisor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

    Happy Birthday to me and hello to you..!

    What about this one?

    http://bit.ly/15EJWce
     
  3. largeruk Junior Member ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

    Re: Happy Birthday to me and hello to you..!

    Hi Paul

    Thanks very much for posting. Yes, I have actually seen that ad - looks the right sort of thing at the right sort of price. But to be honest (as I said in my original post), I'm not really sure what to look for, what to ask, what to check etc etc. A bit lost right now hence my plea for some reliable, dispassionate, honest advice...:Search:
     
  4. SpeedyGee Administrator Staff Team

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    Re: Happy Birthday to me and hello to you..!

    Welcome to AOC and belated happy birthday to you.

    Have a look through the 7th Generation section at the common faults you may find on a diesel. This will give you an idea what to look out for when checking out these cars. There are a few things on the diesel Accords that can go wrong but reading up in the 7th Generation section should equip with enough info to allow you to pick a good un.

    Generally speaking a Honda is more reliable than any of it's rivals but with anything second hand you need to make you sure you pick a good example. If you pick a car that has been poorly maintained then no matter what make or model it is, it will have the potential to through up problems.
     
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  5. largeruk Junior Member ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

    Hi to all

    I joined the forum a little while ago. Like a few members I suspect, I've joined the forum not because I'm existing Accord owner but because I'm intending to become one! :Smile:

    To explain a little - my daughter and I regularly have to make 400 mile round trips to/from a specialist hospital. We also have to carry quite a bit of medical equipment on each trip. We used to do this journey in an 03 Passat 1.9 130 until some idiot piled into the back of me at high speed on the M1 and wrote it off. Thank god my daughter wasn't in the car at the time. A very kind friend has been lending us his Volvo V40 to make the trips but needs the car back soon.


    So, I'm in need a car that's cheap to run (fuel/tax/insurance/maintenance), ultra reliable (given my daughter's health, this is a must), safe (ditto), smooth and quiet at motorway speeds (it's tiring travelling such distances!), had most of the major jobs done to it (unplanned expenditure is my nightmare!) and an estate. Funds aren't exactly flush - even more so since my insurance gave me a pittance for the Passat :Aghast:- so my budget is pretty low: £1,500 - £2,500 (perhaps £3k at a real push). Given all that, I thought a 7th Generation, diesel Accord Tourer might suit our needs and budget.

    I'd like to ask members for their thoughts - both on the Accord (I don't yet know much about the car but am learning fast from reading posts by the clearly knowledgeable and helpful members on here) and maybe even other potential candidates. I'm not sure what to look out for, what to ask, what to check has been replaced & when etc.

    I'd also like to ask for some guidance about the best places to try and get an Accord Tourer. I'm scarred by a previous dealer experience (not that my budget really fits with dealer prices!) and I've looked in all the usual places (eBay. Gumtree, Auto Trader et al) but frankly it's a minefield and I'm lost. I am honest about my own abilities and I'm no mechanic or car expert, and am finding the whole business of trying to find the 'right' car extremely stressful and time consuming. As a full-time carer of my daughter, it's not easy to find the time to do what it takes. Are there any reliable, friendly people out there who might help, offer some advice and guidance, or point me in the right direction? I'd truly appreciate any advice or assistance anyone can offer.

    Many many thanks to all who read this and anyone who can help :Thumbup:
     
  6. SpeedyGee Administrator Staff Team

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    LargerUK, please don't create multiple threads for the same issue/topic. Doing so makes it hard work for people trying to help you.

    Have you read my last post and have you looked through the 7th Generation section ?
     
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  7. ArcticFire-Account Closed Banned Getting Started

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    I can only base my own views on diesel/petrol from my previous car being a 2005 Ford Mondeo 2.0 TDCi (130) and the current one being a 2005 Honda Accord 2.4i Petrol so please feel free to correct any points when it comes to the Honda Accord Diesel.

    So far in my experience lol....


    Diesel

    • 450 miles to a tank local (even with frequent booting)
    • 550 miles to a tank long distance
    • Diesel is more expensive at the pump
    • Servicing was twice as frequent (more down time)
    • Fuel filter needs regular changing
    • Road tax was about £100 less than the petrol per year
    • Dual Mass Flywheels prone to going and very expensive to replace
    • Always a risk of the turbo or hoses going (turbos are expensive!)
    • Sounded like a tractor (this is a Ford thing though)
    • Lovely torque giving good pulling power at 2,000rpm so no need to drop a gear usually
    • Power band drops rapidly at about 3,000rpm so you end up having to change gears in the middle of overtaking


    Petrol

    • 350 miles to a tank local (but will drop to about 300 if booting it all the time)
    • 460 miles to a tank long distance
    • Petrol is cheaper at the pump
    • Servicing is less frequent
    • No regular fuel filter change
    • Road tax a little more expensive (the cost of about two or three fuel filters)
    • No dual mass flywheel to worry about
    • No turbos etc to go wrong
    • The engine is so quiet I can't even hear it when sitting at lights and barely hear it when driving - except when in the v-tec stage
    • Not so much torque at low revs but at 4,000rpm it goes like a train and keeps going right up to the red line
    • Nothing beats that v-tec sound when going over 4,000rpm
    • when really booting it I can actually hear the petrol flowing down the pipes! lol


    So I'm wondering if it may be worth considering a petrol when looking at the bigger picture and your own personal circumstances? Perhaps a 2.0 to keep the road tax down and I think the insurance group is a little lower for the 2.0 petrol compared to the diesel.

    There's some general figures here for running costs etc: link


    EDIT: Just thought I'd add that I usually avoid cars with a tow bar fitted as you don't know what it may have been pulling. A lot of stress could have been placed on it. :Smile:

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    Here's a nice one: Link

    Very long MOT and I can't see his mobile popping up anywhere else so could be a genuine private seller. No tow bar, mentions the leather being looked after which is a good sign of perhaps an enthusiast and the mileage is about right (10K per year) so unlikely to have been clocked. Tyres look in good condition also and aren't low profile and look smaller so should be a more comfortable ride. I'd check the suspension etc though as looking at the background in some of the photos it may have been used to carry heavy loads.
     
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  8. largeruk Junior Member ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

    I do apologise. In hindsight, you're right of course. I am working my way through the many threads on the 7th Generation and learning a little bit more each day. Thanks for your advice:Thumbup:

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    That's an interesting thought. I had kind of just always assumed that, despite the initial price premium, if you did >10k mileage per year a diesel was the way to go. I don't know much about the 2 variants of petrol-engined 7th Generation Accords. Looks like I'll have to do yet more reading...:Blink:

    Thank you very much for your input. It's much appreciated :Thumbup:
     
  9. ArcticFire-Account Closed Banned Getting Started

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    I think diesel cars usually cost a little more to buy also, but there's always a bargain out there. I've found the 2.4 not too bad at all for fuel economy, perhaps the bigger engine doesn't have to work as hard but if you put your foot down then forget economy! lol Have you considered auctions? I don't know about others but if you can venture up to Glasgow then Central Car Auctions is a good one and huge. Monday is the day to go as it's only cars from main agents so chances are a 7th Generation will simply be a trade in for the newer model (or another make). You can see what stock they have in advance before the day and also check out full historical prices of previous trades so you can get a rough guide on how high to bid.

    I got my wife's Toyota Yaris from there and it's only suffered a flat battery - that's it! :Smile: There was a 2005 Accord Exec 2.2 Diesel Estate with 65K on the clock that went for £3,050 not so long ago. Here's the list of what they went for: Central Car Auctions - Vehicles List

    I should have added, the 2.4 comes with SatNav and HID lights as standard, the latter I find very handy as they give excellent light at night.
     
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  10. SpeedyGee Administrator Staff Team

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    A diesel car from an auction hmmm that's sounds like a sure way to open heart wallet surgery.

    With a diesel, you really want to know the full history, not much chance to get that when buying at an auction.
     
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  11. largeruk Junior Member ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

    I find myself caught between a rock and a hard place; the rock being my relative lack of mechanical knowledge, 'nous' and limited time to travel to look at cars and the hard place being a fairly limited budget. I don't know anyone who knows about cars either. Am not really sure on the best course of action or even the best type of engine right now.

    I take both your points about auctions being potentially the source of 'bargains' but also potentially 'wallet emptiers'. I can neither take the time to travel that far (I have to take my daughter most places as she cannot be left for any significant period of time) nor the risk of a car turning into a unreliable financial black hole (an absolute must is that the car be reliable and inexpensive to run - in so far as any car can be!). I see complete sense in a car that has a known history and has, preferably, had most of the major jobs done. Finding one, getting to it, assessing it with any confidence - these are the challenges...:Blink:
     
  12. Dave Expert Advisor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

    If I was you with the money you have I would buy a 2.0 petrol I wouldn't touch a diesel there is too much to go wrong (Clutch/DMF, VSA, Injectors leaking, timing chains etc) and its all mega money (I drive a diesel tourer and spend most of my time wondering how long till something major is going to wrong with it lol) with the petrol tourer the only thing you'd really have to worry about is the power tailgate.

    As for economy mine couldn't get anywhere near the gf's dads VW! He now has a Picaso and thats doing around 15mpg more than my Accord and the Picaso is in my eyes a big un-aerodynamic brick!
     
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  13. largeruk Junior Member ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

    That's the 2nd person who's recommended a petrol over a diesel on the grounds of maintenance running costs. Are they really more reliable and cheaper to maintain than diesels? In all honesty, I hadn't seriously considered a petrol tourer on the basis that a diesel was at least as reliable/cheap to maintain as a petrol and, assuming >10k annual mileage, cheaper to fuel. However, if that's actually not the case, I wonder which of the two petrol engines would be best. I assume the 2litre?

    So is the fuel economy really that bad on the petrol engines? The 'official' figures don't seem too bad but nothing like as good as the 50+MPG we used to get out the old Passat on long motorway runs.

    Whichever variant I decide is best, I'm still a bit stuck about how best to find one, get to it and check it out..:Ermm:
     
  14. ArcticFire-Account Closed Banned Getting Started

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    Your location also says Leeds, I'm sure there's someone else on here from Leeds who knows one or two things about Honda Accords......I just can't think who....:Wink:
     
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  15. richsprint Account Closed. ★ ★ ★ ★ ☆

    I'd also say that in that price range (£1k-£2.5K) I would go for a petrol over a diesel.

    You'll get a lot more car for your money, diesel tend to cost a bit more and a petrol has a lot less to go wrong.

    Stick with 2.0, check the road tax price also on the DVLA website.

    I'd expect a 2.0 petrol Accord tourer, to do around 40mpg on the motorway and about 27mpg around town.

    Another car to consider, guys on here will cringe, but....

    Mondeo estate petrol. Has a mazda petrol engine, with a cam chain, so doesnt have to be changed too often. The 1.8 would be fairly economical. The drive and handle well, just get the best maintained lowest mileage one you can find. I sold my 06 reg Ghia 2.0 petrol with 70k on it for £3000. So you can see you can get a much younger car for your money.

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    Guess I'm saying that the bit extra you pay in fuel, you will save in repair bills.
     
  16. largeruk Junior Member ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

    We have to travel up north at least once a fortnight from London to Leeds (and back again) to attend my daughter's hospital so a car located in or near either location, or anyone with any specialist knowledge in either part of the world, would be great. :Thumbup:

    Another interesting perspective re petrol vs. diesel; lower maintenance costs < higher fuel costs. This has really got me thinking. Given your suggestion about a petrol Mondeo estate, I guess that view also works for a lot of other makes too...? :Unknown:
     
  17. richsprint Account Closed. ★ ★ ★ ★ ☆

    I'm only suggesting a Mondeo from personal experience, its a lot of car for the money, and as long as you get a young one, they are reliable, wouldn't go over 10 years with one.

    SOme makes are dodgy, avoid French cars like the plague (they are cheap for a reason). VWs arent as reliable as you might think. Vauxhalls are also dodgy. Japanese and Korean are a good bet, or a young Mondeo.

    How many miles do you actually do a year approx? Diesel only really pays off above 17k mile or so approx.
     
  18. i-DSI Expert Advisor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

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    If I may: a Toyota (Avensis) might not be that bad nether in case you don't find a 2.0 Accord petrol that suits your needs. Reliable as hell (or... as Honda)!!
    Just one thing: an Avensis is not even half as exciting as an Accord.
    In Belgium we're at a point where you have to travel 30k kms/year to just reach break even diesel vs petrol. Despite of that, most people still buy a diesel. Don't know why. Those guys must have some money to spend :Wink:.
     
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  19. richsprint Account Closed. ★ ★ ★ ★ ☆

    And don't mind waiting ages for your heater to work in winter, driving a tractor, and everyone thinking you are a miser!
     
  20. Dave Expert Advisor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

    Regular oil changes and petrol Hondas go forever and I speak from experience having previously owned a 200k mile petrol Honda that is still going now.
     
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