Buying 2nd Generation Jazz

Discussion in '2nd Generation (2001-2008)' started by Davej5, Friday 15th May, 2015.

  1. Davej5 Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    Hi guys I am looking for a new second hand car for my parents and have found a 2005 Jazz SE 1400 manual can anyone let me have pointers on what to look for, or any common problem areas? More generally I assume it is best to avoid the early CVTs and their problems?

    Thanks Dave
     
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  2. SpeedyGee Administrator Staff Team

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    Can't think of any major issues with the 2nd Generation Jazz's

    Hopefully some current Jazz owners can put their experiences forward to help you.
     
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  3. FirstHonda Premium Member Club Supporter

    Just to give this thread a bump - although I'd assume as @SpeedyGee says the silence indicates that there aren't any major issues :Smile:

    ^^As somebody who only drives automatic cars, this has always put me off older Honda CVTs. I assume the issue is the "judder" on pull away that I've read about elsewhere? I also assume that the same issue can affect the previous Logo CVTs?

    @Beefy - I've read that the CVT issue can be resolved by a flush and change of the transmission fluid. True?
     
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  4. Nighthawk Guest

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    I know the early Jazz's suffered from gearbox bearing issues, but I believe this was later resolved

    Otherwise, they are absolutely bullet proof
     
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  5. Beefy Expert Advisor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

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    Manual gearboxes can be prone to main shaft bearings being noisey. CVT the judder is from the start clutch. 9 times out of 10 flushing through with two lots of CVT fluid cures it but some the judder is persistent or returns and it means replacing the start clutch.
     
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  6. Busa1340r Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    Rear hub bearings are also prone to grumbling, usually from about 60-70k miles. relatively cheap to replace though....
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    Ooh I forgot.......check for water ingress into boot/spare wheel well too. Usually signified by excess misting of windows.
     
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  7. FirstHonda Premium Member Club Supporter

    ^^ Thanks @Beefy

    Sounds as though it isn't something that should put me off if, for instance, I saw a nice early Jazz or Logo with the CVT gearbox...:Whistle:
     
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  8. Busa1340r Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    Depends on your point of view.

    Flushing the CVT fluid on our 2007 Jazz didn't sort the judder out fully, however I believe that to replace the start clutch is £1000 +. Personally, if we are looking at approx 1/4 to 1/5th of the value of the car
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    Depends on your point of view.

    A CVT fluid flush did not sort out the judder entirely on our 57 plate Jazz,, although it did seem to improve to a degree. My thing is - do you spend (I believe) upwards of £1000, roughly 1/5 to 1/4 the value of the car on something that is a minor irritation?

    If it had a manual box and could be fixed for a few hundred, I would probably still wait until it started to slip or groan before replacing it just to cure a judder.

    If however you are a complete perfectionist.......
     
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  9. FirstHonda Premium Member Club Supporter

    ^^You are right, that does put a bit of a different perspective on things!
     
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  10. Beefy Expert Advisor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

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    £1000? for start clutch replace? ime a bit out of touch with prices but it sounds a tad steep to me?
     
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  11. Busa1340r Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    OK, Just to qualify..,I did put "I believe" in my post.

    My reasoning being as follows....

    A quick google could not find anybody giving a UK price for the job, but did find a quote from New Zealand for $2000 NZD which converts to about £950 at current rates.

    Also,

    Lings want £542 for the starter clutch assembly (I appreciate you may be able to get a discount, but for Joe Public....) plus labour for gearbox out (£300+ I am guessing at a dealer) plus oil , plus consumables etc etc. £950 - £1000 doesn't seem too far off?

    All a sight more than having a manual box clutch replaced.....
     
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  12. jd1959 Valued Contributor ★ ★ ★ ☆ ☆

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    The CVT in the Mobilio (same as Jazz/fit) never gave any trouble as long as I had it in any case, keep up on fluid changes on or ahead of schedule, if there is judder walk away. It might be sorted with a repeated flush drain (fluid isn't cheap) also there is a procedure for burnishing the clutches as well for some of the earlier CVT, TSB somewhere, or it might be a whole lot more expensive. I wouldn't have issue with buying another Honda CVT with a reasonable amount of miles on it as long as it drove well without the slightest judder from a hill start.
     
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  13. Pottermus Valued Contributor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

    The only reason CVT gearboxes go wrong on Jazz's is because Kwikfit/Halfords "full services" don't include gearbox fluid changes.
     
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  14. FirstHonda Premium Member Club Supporter

    :Aghast:

    I think the expression is something along the lines of, "Penny wise but pound foolish." Not that I think Halfords etc. are actually that much cheaper, if at all...
     
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  15. Davej5 Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    Maybe the CVT is not as bad as I thought, but with my parents being on a budget, living on a pension, I don't want them having big bills they cannot afford.
     
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  16. Davej5 Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    Well I picked up a 2004 1.4 SE yesterday bodywork is a bit battered but it drives great so I just need to tidy the body work a bit.
     
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  17. FirstHonda Premium Member Club Supporter

    Congratulations @Davej5 :Smile:

    Looking forward to seeing some pictures and how it progresses.
     
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  18. Davej5 Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    OK I put a couple of photos in the garage. Today I spent an hour refurbishing the headlights they are still not perfect but they are much better than they were.
     
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