Bulletins & Advisories Camber in one of wheels

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  1. PanayiotisPal Top Contributor ★ ★ ★ ★ ☆

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    I took my CR-V 2013 model for alignment. One of the back wheels had a camber which was out of limits. The tyre shop doing the alignment said that is not possible to fix the camber since it is not adjustable.

    However I think it is adjustable, checking under the CR-V with a friend, I have seen a camber adjustment screw. Can anyone confirm this. Also is there a guide/service bulletin/advisory regarding camber adjustment??

    The problem first place was the car always pulling to the left (when not holding the wheel).

    Thanks
     
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  2. stuscrv Valued Contributor ★ ★ ★ ☆ ☆

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    Personally if your concerned it take it to a specialist with laser alignment gear, not a rubber monkey with a trolley jack and hammer !
    I hope its simple, ie down to worn components or heavy kerbing etc NOT due to previous accident damage. I hope all goes well.
     
  3. PanayiotisPal Top Contributor ★ ★ ★ ★ ☆

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    Hello,
    Thanks for the reply. The tyre shops in CY have laser alignmen gear however they are unprofessional. They don't update their software, they usually don't do any camber adjustment. For example they only have previous CR-V on their laser alignment software. If there is no rear adjustment it is going to the Honda garage since it is still cover by 3 years warranty.

    Please can someone confirm that there is a rear tyre camber adjustment, as I think I noticed. Maybe I am wrong with my findings.
     
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  4. stuscrv Valued Contributor ★ ★ ★ ☆ ☆

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    I'm sure the knowledgeable guys on here will know. As its still under warranty I'd recommend a chat with your service manager. Its not worth messing with and may void your warranty .
     
  5. PanayiotisPal Top Contributor ★ ★ ★ ★ ☆

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    This is what I found for the 4th generation CR-V (literature). It says that there is no rear camber adjustment (only for the front via a bolt).
    The Fourth Generation CR-V has a MacPherson strut front suspension. Camber and Toe adjustablility is provided from the factory. The rear independent multi-link suspension is OE adjustable for Toe only. The recommended alignment type is four wheel. So it is not adjustable. I probably I need to check bushings.
    103298_rear_adjustment. 103299_front_camber.
     

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  6. Bomber209 Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    Hi, There's no Rear Camber adjustment. Bear in mind though that adjusting 'Toe' will affect 'Camber' adjustment. Bounce the rear up and down a few times before checking again.
     
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  7. PanayiotisPal Top Contributor ★ ★ ★ ★ ☆

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    Hi, Thanks for the reply and confirming there is no camber for the rear wheels. Toe adjustment is not only for left right adjustment??? or are there 2 adjustments for the toe?? (left /right and camber)
     
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  8. Bomber209 Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    Hi, The only adjustment is for Toe 'IN or 'OUT' on separate wheels. This could alter the camber automatically. Check the distance from front and rear of the wheel arch and compare with other side. Also camber can look different when you have a load in the car. I don't think camber would affect pulling to one side, mainly shows as uneven tyre wear.
     
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  9. PanayiotisPal Top Contributor ★ ★ ★ ★ ☆

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    Cheers. Thanks for explaining. I did not know anything about toe adjustment until today.
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    The left side is 2cm front and 2cm rear (top rim distance from wheel arch)
    The right side is 3cm front and 5cm rear (top rim distance from wheel arch)

    Any comments??? Does it explain why it is pulling left??
     
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  10. Bomber209 Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    Hi, have you got the same size tyres on?? Don't see how else the measurements should be so much different. Would have thought the guys doing the checks would pick that up.
     
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  11. stuscrv Valued Contributor ★ ★ ★ ☆ ☆

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    Morning all, yes those measurements are a worry but without being too critical its unlikely all that accurate. Needs to be set up on a proper jig etc but as was said tyre wear would be noticeable.
    Remember ALL cars should wonder to the left when you let go of the wheel, as that's the normal camber for the rain etc.
    Were all hoping its not had a whallop at sometime, but really a laser alignment is the only surefire way for an accurate test.
     
  12. PanayiotisPal Top Contributor ★ ★ ★ ★ ☆

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    A brief answer to the previous questions
    1. Yes I still have stock tyres. All tyres are of the same size
    2. I have done a laser alignment. All tyres were aligned. One tyre was out of spec in terms of camber. (The one with the 5cm). He said he cannot fix it since there is no camber adjustment joint.

    I have to redo the alignment at a different shop hopefully with more experience.

    Thanks for your replies.
     
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  13. tomwillie Valued Contributor ★ ★ ★ ☆ ☆

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    Panos, did you see my post about having rear adjusters copper greased Rear Toe Adjusters CR-V, 8th Generation Accord & S2000 (Service & Maintenance - )

    Changing toe will alter camber. Michelin advised to get wheels as parallel as possible. With front wheel drive cars zero toe is usually the mid recommended orientation & good to aim for. However at rear best to have wheels with very small toe in which, is near the recommended limit. On our CR-V the rear toe in has recently been set to +0.04 minutes on each wheel. At 23k miles the front tyres have 5mm of tread, OS rear 6mm of tread & NS rear 5.5mm of tread. This is why alignment was done as NS rear was suddenly starting to show more wear than OS but all four tyres are wearing evenly.
    It is important to request very small toe in at rear otherwise it will be set to mid range which is more toe in. I found with my accord that with 0.02 minutes rear toe in on each wheel that camber was just within recommended limits but when set to mid range the cambers became slightly out of recommended limits. Cambers were always slightly different each side.
     
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  14. PanayiotisPal Top Contributor ★ ★ ★ ★ ☆

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    Thanks for the alignment information and copper grease that is needed on rear adjusters.. Since I will have H&R springs with + 30mm ground clearance fitted soon (this will make CR-V ground clearance same as Audi Q5 ground clearance and give me some additional off road capability which I need), I will have to have laser alignment done again. I think the problem was that the alignment/tyre shop did not have the 4th Generation CR-V, in its software program, and chose 3rd Generation CR-V, and they assumed that both cars have the same characteristics.

    The alignment with these springs will be more complex, and will be done carried out in a more capable alignment shop. They will try 2 to 3 ways (to find optimum solution) until all 4 wheels are within acceptable limits. Speak about this in a few weeks time.

    On my car they started alignment with rear wheels first (toe in same on both wheels +0.04 or + 0.06, I don't remember exactly the number). Should they start with front wheels first???
     
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  15. tomwillie Valued Contributor ★ ★ ★ ☆ ☆

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    They should start with rear wheels first,@Ichiban has a post about alignment procedure in Accord section & can advise.

    I sold my toe adjusters for Accord to someone in Australia who had lowered his car & fitted camber adjusters but then found that standard Honda toe adjusters then could not get toe as he wanted. You may encounter same problem if raising the car as toe & camber are interdependent with standard set up. If you wish to change toe & camber outside certain limits then both adjustable toe & camber adjusters may need to be fitted. I do not know if such kit is available for CR-V as it is for the Acord
     
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    There is a kit sold in USA that adds rear camber adjuster capability on CR-V 4th Generation made by SPC, but I am not sure if this is compatible with European CR-V. SPC 67580 Adjustable Rear Camber EZ Arm Alignment fit Honda CR-V 07-15 FWD/ AWD.

    Maybe someone who had previous experience with this can confim if SPC 67580 is compatible with European CR-Vs.

    Installation instructions:
    Simply replace the OE arm with this adjustable arm to get -2° to +4° of camber change.
    The EZ Arm is perfect for both stock height and altered vehicles.

    Rear Adjustment range: Camber. -2.00° to +4.00°
    Installation time: .5 hr/side
    Required: 1 per wheel
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  17. tomwillie Valued Contributor ★ ★ ★ ☆ ☆

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    The SPC camber & toe adjusters are OK for UK 8th Generation Accord & probably OK for UK CR-V, you can contact them on their web site, if not I have the email address for couple of people in their technical section. They will also be able to advise of retailers of their adjusters. As I mentioned before you may also need to obtain toe adjusters if changing height of car, again SPC should be able to advise. If you car has HID lights it may also be necessary to also purchase a bracket that clamps onto the toe adjuster arm so as to fit the auto headlamp aim unit, check with SPC about this if you have HID lights.
     
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  18. PanayiotisPal Top Contributor ★ ★ ★ ★ ☆

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    Checking their website :http://www.spcalignment.com/index.php?option=com_spc&task=details for both USA and EU regions, and Honda CR-V, the camber kit only applies to USA region.
    The part number does not appear in the European Region, thus this makes me believe that this rear camber kit is not compatible with CR-V made in UK. I will make the upgrade and see how the alignment goes. Thanks for the info. I will upload the alignment results.
     
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  19. tomwillie Valued Contributor ★ ★ ★ ☆ ☆

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    Email Pepique Stout: pstout@specprod.com & ask if SPC do a camber & toe adjusters for EU CR-Vs and if toe adjusters are required if car raised 30mm. Also ask about bracket if your car has HID lights.
    If you just raise car 30mm it is probable that camber will be out of spec & toe also then cannot be adjusted to be within spec.
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    H-Tune who are in UK & subscribe to this forum do camber adjusters for CR-V MY07-MY12: https://h-tune.co.uk/hardrace-adjus...alog&gclid=CM20jM7MhNACFdAW0wodRy0Grw#189=648

    You can contact them & find out if toe adjusters will also be required.
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    Do not foreget to tell @H-Tune you are raising car 30mm.
     
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  20. PanayiotisPal Top Contributor ★ ★ ★ ★ ☆

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    Thanks I will send them an email.
     
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