Electrical & Lights Can and electric tailgate be converted to manual?

Discussion in '7th Generation (2003-2008) [Acura TSX]' started by ajdallison, Sunday 5th Jul, 2015.

  1. ajdallison Junior Member ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    Like others, I have been having problems with the power tailgate (53 plate Accord Tourer). I now carry a pair of pliers in the car to disconnect the battery and reset the tailgate a couple of times a week. Is it possible to remove the electric latching system and replace it with a mechanical latch and handle, and disconnect the motor? If I have missed this in a previous thread, please forgive me and point me to it!
     
  2. Galgo Senior Member ★ ★ ☆ ☆ ☆

    What problems are you having? Different people have different issues with the tailgate...
     
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  3. tonygw Valued Contributor ★ ★ ★ ☆ ☆

    If your willing ot go to such lenghts then I would say its easier to fix it as it is.
    There are many components on the unit and the tailgate closer lock mechanism can fail. Have you had any diagnosis done yet?

    I know its a pain to get it fixed but you'll miss it come the winter months when its cold, raining and have 63 bags of shopping on each finger. For me its a god send....
     
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  4. Galgo Senior Member ★ ★ ☆ ☆ ☆

    Mine has never worked! :Frown: For my particular issue, there's a guy on a site that managed to fix the problem by opening up the motor and cleaning out the grease on the clutch or something like that.
     
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  5. Ichiban Founder Staff Team

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    As long at the tailgate lever works electronically there is nothing stopping you to open and close the tailgate manually.
     
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  6. Beefy Expert Advisor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

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    @Galgo there are many different reasons for the tailgates to fail. Cleaning out grease from the motor ain't going to solve anything ime afraid. Once there is grease on a clutch it's game over. And the reason behind the clutch failing is normally due to the gas struts weakening. @ajdallison there are plenty of threads if you do a search of the forum to gauge where the fault lies.
     
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  7. Galgo Senior Member ★ ★ ☆ ☆ ☆

    Here is the TypeAccord thread I mentioned earlier: DIY tailgate clutch REPAIR! - 7th Generation DIY

    According to the guy that wrote it, he said in his case it was grease on the friction plate? Seeing as my car isn't under any kind of Honda warranty I think it's worth a shot seeing if I've got the same problem or not. I don't mind buying new struts if I need to, but it's always better to try the cheap/free fixes first before making your employer any richer :Wink:
     
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  8. redefined_cycles Senior Member ★ ★ ☆ ☆ ☆

    I changed a few bits and bobs. In the end after a diagnosis using a honda computer it turned out to be the elecrical wires in the top left corner. I couldn't see any breakage but the sparkie i went to, tugged at em and they all fell apart. He also pointed to me that they had been resoldered at some point in the past. Anyway, resoldered with extra cable and all is good now. The symptoms were similar to you and the boot would work intermittently in the months before it went totally flat.

    So, don't be like me and throw parts at it. Take the advice of our little brother Beefy. Get down to a honda tech or Holdcroft (was too far for me due to work commitments so found another man local with a Honda diagnostics kit) and get an initial diagnosis. Once you have it fixed you will wonder why you ever asked the Q you did (I tried to make it a manual thing too and plenty of other things in between)...

    Let us knwo how you get on fella
     
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  9. Beefy Expert Advisor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

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    Yep. Again annother common fault that a Honda garage will check as part of there diag. The wires get brittle over time with opening and closing it flexes the same point thousands of times. I've replaced the entire loom before for a gem who is a farm vet. His boot is opened 100's of times a week so no wander his was excessive.
     
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  10. Galgo Senior Member ★ ★ ☆ ☆ ☆

    Beefy how much would your garage charge to diagnose tailgate issues, or does it depend on whether you need to strip interior parts out for investigation etc?
     
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  11. Beefy Expert Advisor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

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    Best thing to do is give us a call and explain the fault to the service advisor. I round say about 1 - 2 hours diagnosis time.
     
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  12. ajdallison Junior Member ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    Thanks for all the comments. I have had a look at many of the other threads and guides, and can see where the likely issues are. In my case:
    The struts seem fine - if I unlock from inside the boot, the struts lift the gate up happily. The external lever does not work so can't use that; neither does the closure switch on the base of the tailgate. If I reset the tailgate it works for a while and then, if the car stands for a couple of days, if I switch on the ignition, I get the tailgate light on the dash and the tailgate will not unlock.. That's when I perform a reset and it comes back to life. However, I usually have to unlock it from the inside using the manual release, close it gently and the electric latch closes it fully, after which I can open and close it remotely without issue, - and the motor does not seem laboured - until the car is left for a period. In the past it used to open an inch or so and then beep three times from memory and then stop working until the battery reset was done. I live in Wiltshire and the only Honda specialists I can see are Blade Honda.
     
  13. Ichiban Founder Staff Team

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    Does the outer handle stick ? Does it freely operate and does it come back to it position when you release your hand?
     
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  14. ajdallison Junior Member ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    Thanks Ichiban. It just seems to wiggle back and forth as if it's not doing anything - it's as if it has no connection to anything else.
     
  15. Ichiban Founder Staff Team

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    Does it do the back and forth on it own? @Beefy that would make it the sender unit as faulty?
     
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  16. ajdallison Junior Member ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    It feels like I guess it 'should', springing back and forth to the right position - it has never worked though (ditto the button to close it located on the tailgate). I reset the tailgate yesterday evening - all fine. This morning: It rained overnight and just now, it made the single 'I'm about to open' beep, waited a moment, then three beeps and it's frozen. It needs a reset (which fuse is it? disconnecting the battery loses all the radio stations!)). I've noticed that if it rains this seems to happen more. I did look at the wiring loom last night - didn't look cracked or broken from what I could see.
     
  17. ajdallison Junior Member ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    It's now completely given up. Resets don't work. :-(
     
  18. Beefy Expert Advisor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

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    The outer handle won't work or inner button when the tailgate light is on. I've found in the majority of cases it's the closer unit that causes this problem but also the ECU can create the same issue. It's a difficult problem to solve sometimes as I have replaced ECU' before only for the closer unit to pack up soon after.

    I would say the closer unit has lost its stop position a few too many times. It needs removing and stripping down to check. Also an easy check is to remove the cowling around the wires N/S and check them right back to the point where the loom keeps bending. By the sounds if the re-set ain't working now and it did before. It could be the wire is not on open circuit or broken
     
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  19. ajdallison Junior Member ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    Thanks Beefy. I dismantled the closer unit and made sure the contacts were pushed up as suggested elsewhere. While I had the chance I also dismantled the tailgate button, cleaned it, and also sprayed WD40 on the switch at the tailgate lever. The wiring seemed ok , but the loom was wrapped in a different kind of tape inside the tailgate where it all separates and goes in different directions about half way down the tailgate. I also looked at the wiring where it goes around the hinge passenger side but did not unpick the black cover. Presto - worked fine. many times. However, this morning, again it had rained overnight but that could be coincidence, dead again. Therefore assuming the closer can find stop position, if neither the lever or the button work (you would think one or the other would?) that suggests either lots of wiring faults or could it be the ECU giving up? It seems that if the car stands, even overnight, something happens.