Suspension, Steering and Brakes Compliance bush failed

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  1. Zebster Expert Advisor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

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    After a week of increasingly vague steering, a quick look around the front of my car revealed this little horror on the driver's side...
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    The arm is indeed resting on the lower part of the bracket!

    To be fair, I did receive following comments 10 months ago on the last MOT...
    Nearside Front Lower Suspension arm rubber bush deteriorated but not resulting in excessive movement (2.4.G.2)
    Offside Front Lower Suspension arm rubber bush deteriorated but not resulting in excessive movement (2.4.G.2)


    So both my compliance bushes need replacing. I found this HK thread... http://hondakarma.com/threads/accord-front-lower-arm.2232/live, but has anyone actually done this recently?

    These are from the same seller I bought all four replacement drop links, plus both upper control arms. So I'm happy with the quality of these (Meyle?) parts...


    However it would obviously be cheaper to just replace the failed bushes, assuming I could remove the old bushes and press in the new ones without buying specialist tools (but improvising with threaded bar and hole-cutters) - so a combination of these two YouTube clips...



    Or can anyone suggest how much it's likely to cost me to have the work done by Holdcroft Honda? I'm very busy workwise at the moment (working away from home most of the week) and without convenient garage facilities. So having the work done by a garage would suit me, although I must bear in mind that the car is fairly worthless and therefore I can't justify spending too much on it. But it is otherwise reliable, economical and comfortable and so I'm not planning on throwing it away just yet!

    Your thoughts please!
     
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  2. Zebster Expert Advisor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

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    Has anyone replaced a compliance bush recently?
     
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  4. jd1959 Valued Contributor ★ ★ ★ ☆ ☆

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    It might be marginally cheaper to get the bush pressed but personally I'd replace the whole arm for that ebay price. Get a local mechanic to fit saves time and hassle of pressing it in yourself and you know the whole arm is good to go.
     
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    Yeah, I'm considering getting a quote from HH. But it's a round trip of 3 hours (plus waiting time) if I do that, so maybe it would actualky be quicker for me to buy those eBay arms and DIY it?
     
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    If you have the space and time its not too bad of a job. In saying that I can't see a mechanic charging a whole lot to do it either.
     
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  7. Zebster Expert Advisor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

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    Thanks. Seeing the effort required to replace just the bush puts me off doing that myself... Additionally, at 11 years/166k miles I think the other bushes will be showing signs of wear.
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    I've asked the seller to confirm the manufacturer of those arms, as I really want to avoid something inferior (I'd buy from Honda, but £500 +VAT is a little off putting!)

    I don't think any pressing would be needed if I bought replacement arms?

    Having the arms fitted at a local garage is tempting. If it was summer I'd probably be half-way though the job myself!
     
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    Do the ball joints need to be pressed in on those arms? Don't honestly know.

    I tend to shy away from anything that needs pressing every time I've cobbled together threaded bar washers and so on it has made the matter worse and half destroyed new parts. So I made the decision to remove said hub/arm or whatever and walk it to the mechanic down the road with a hydraulic press to push them in and out.
     
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    Just heard back from the seller and those eBay arms will be either Front-line or Meyle. I've been happy with Meyle drop links (all round) and upper control arms, but not sure about Front-line parts.

    Does anyone have experience with Front-line?
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    I'm also concerned about this. I've pressed bearings and bushes previously, using threaded bar/hacksaws/chisels/a bench vise, etc, but never on such an elderly, high miler. The added burden of corrosion and possible damage does worry me.

    I'm now leaning towards buying the replacement arms.
     
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  10. Ichiban Founder Staff Team

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    Blow torch a lot of swearing then press it in. It's hard graft best get it done mate. I think beefy took cutters to get at it also.
     
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    See, that's the level of physical effort I want to avoid! But I do need to get it done ASAP, as it looks bad and tramlines like a pig... It wouldn't be so bad putting up with it for a while, except I have to drive 153 miles to St Albans tomorrow and then back again Tuesday night. And keep doing that return trip every week until the end of March!

    Do you know how difficult is it to replace the whole lower arm CJ? I have the Honda eManual on DVD and it doesn't look a bad job but - with an old car like mine - how bad could this job get with corroded bolts, etc?
     
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  12. Ichiban Founder Staff Team

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    Don't replace the whole arm for a cheaper blueprint or aftermarket as the metal casting is shocking and the handling will be Shyte despite the new bush. Replacing the entire arm is more or less same effort as replacing the bush make. Corroded bolts don't stand in the way of pneumatic tools they lose lol
     
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    I don't have pneumatic tools!

    Any idea how much HH charge? Do we get a discount on their labour rates/fixed price jobs?
     
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  14. Ichiban Founder Staff Team

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    Best ring up and ask matey or I can ring them for you.
     
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  15. raza4 Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    I did mine in the summer it's a ball ache and easier to get arms. I used a mixture of blowtorch jig saw and reciprocating saw. After struggling with the first the second was easier. Once you cut through the outer metal ring in one place it comes out easy with a hammer and chisel. A vice is a must.
     
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    I tried to use the method in that video for removing and replacing and it didn't work the drill bits just bent and the Bush didn't move. To drive the new bushes in I used a 75mm metal post offcut into an 89mm metal post offcut inside a large vice it needs even flat pressure. Or a heavy duty Bush press.
     
  17. Zebster Expert Advisor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

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    Thank you for the kind offer CJ, but I'm now strongly leaning towards buying decent (Meyle) replacement arms so I don't need to get the new bushes pressed in by someone else and end up worrying about the state of the other bushes.

    I do fully take on board your comment about the quality of aftermarket castings, but 'that ship has already sailed' with regard to my car... so many parts (drop links, upper control arms, rear brake calipers) are now non-Honda that it's too late for me to worry! And I don't need them to last another 11 years, as I can't see me keeping the old girl for more than 2 or 3 more years, tops.
     
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  18. jimjams Expert Advisor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

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    why not take the car to an independent and ask them to fit the cheapest pattern parts they can find (I think the cheapest is about £80) but get the originals back. Then you can get OEM bushes put into the originals in the future if you so wish.
     
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  19. exec Premium Member Club Supporter

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    I would take it to a garage and get the bushes replaced, shouldn't be expensive, but some garage don't like taking on the job. My Uncles Civic has also got advisiories for front likes yours and will need replacing at some point, plan on just buying the bushes which are a tenner and take it to a garage to change, don't fancy taking the arm off, which is fair amount of work and then fighting to take the bloody bush out.
     
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  20. Zebster Expert Advisor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

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    Nice idea!
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    It looks to me that the arm would have to come right off the car to have the compliance bush removed/refitted?
     
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