HVAC Condenser Replacement

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  1. h_z Junior Member ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    Hi Guys,
    I am new here and I am just wondering if you can help me?
    I have Honda Jazz 2009(old shape), I want to replace the condenser and I know how to do that but I have some questions to ask you about:
    1- I've seen some videos on YouTube to have some extra information! Is it essential to put "R134A REFRIGERANT oil" inside the new condenser and and why we need to do that?
    According to this video:

    2- From where I can get the cheap condenser and fit with my car model?
    3- I have picture for some wire just come of when I opened the condenser to check it, can I send you the pic to see if you can identify it? I doubted it's a sensor for the heat should stick on the condenser? Is there something like that?
    4- The plastic cover for the AC has some O-Ring, what they called it and where I can find it?
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  2. stuscrv Valued Contributor ★ ★ ★ ☆ ☆

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    Normally there's a reason why things are cheap. I use a mobile servicing co. who regass every year and add a dye to detect leaks and a lubricant to ensure smooth operation.
    This all comes in at £49.99 inc. Also they use an anti bac ( important ) however my small leak which I knew about has become excessive so at the moment go without AC.
    I've found a company on the net, selling new condensers for under £50 delivered but would have to fit myself ( possibly dangerous ) then try and find someone willing to recharge system who proberbly won't guarantee the work.
    You really should seek out an AC specialist who will check whole system quickly and cheaply then go from there. Nows a good time as many don't use it in winter ( big mistake ) so you will get a good price.
     
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  3. legend-ary Moderator Staff Team

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    Hello @h_z and welcome to HK.
    A bit of background of what are you looking to fix would help.

    1. The oil is necessary to make sure the compressor is lubricated properly.. detailed info here http://www.denso-am.eu/media/27145/denso-practical-tip-compressor-oil.pdf so make sure you don't skip it.

    2. There are plenty of cheaper ones on eBay too so depends how much you want to spend.. make sure you match it with your one before purchase

    3. It could be the wire for the compressor clutch or ac fan. if it was at the bottom, it might be the former.

    4. I guess you can search for O rings on eBay but these are just dust caps so I don't know if there are supposed to be in or not.
     
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  4. Zebster Expert Advisor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

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    Does anyone supply R134a without the necessary PAG oil to the consumer market? Even the Halfords EZ-chill stuff comes with it premixed.
     
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  5. stuscrv Valued Contributor ★ ★ ★ ☆ ☆

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    Just not a diy job in my opinion, I hope yours is not the same as the second gen. CR-V s which have been known to explode ! ! ( compressor )
     
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  6. jimjams Expert Advisor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

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    A few years ago I put in a new condenser myself on my Accord.

    DO NOT UNDO ANY PIPING unless you are 100% certain that there is no refigerant in there. Best thing to do is to take the car to a Halfords workshop (or similar) and they will evacuate the system for you.

    After doing that I bought the condenser for my car from Europarts, and then fitted it (the original condenser was badly perished i.e. the system only went cold when the car was moving >50 mph because otherwise the perished condenser was not losing heat)

    I then took the car back to the Halfords workshop and they refilled it for me.

    But what makes you think the system needs a new condenser ?

    That wire looks like it should go to the pressure sensor or, if the aircon system in the Jazz diesel is same as in the Accord diesel, to a valve. If that is so, then that is why your aircon ain't working.
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    oh, and yes those caps are just dust-caps, H is for High and there should also be L for Low, they're filling and evacuating points
     
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  7. legend-ary Moderator Staff Team

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    upload_2016-2-21_14-3-27.
    A. compressor clutch connector
    B. condenser fan connector

    the wire you broke, is it one of these?
     
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  8. jimjams Expert Advisor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

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    Assuming that the aircon system on the I-DSI is same is on the petrols, the following might help

    The wire might well be for the outside air temperature sensor, see below


    Jazz_climate_control_system_locs_2.
    Jazz_climate_control_system_locs_1.


    cable and sensor also in this diagram (3 is the sensor, 6 is the cable)


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    I'm now under the assumption that the OP has had a minor shunt, and that the sensor is missing and the condenser was breached.

    The part numbers can be found in the following links
    condenser
    https://www.lingshondaparts.com/hon...&block_02=B__5800&block_03=21037&block_05=hcr

    sensor
    https://www.lingshondaparts.com/hon...&block_02=B__6100&block_03=21037&block_05=hcr

    pipework and pressure switch (just in case)
    https://www.lingshondaparts.com/hon...&block_02=B__6001&block_03=21037&block_05=hcr

    But the OP should check the part numbers using his own VIN, starting here
    https://www.lingshondaparts.com/honda_car_parts_catalogue_C01.php
    (when you get to a main drawing page with part numbers, remove "_pfk" from the URL in the page so that the part numbers become proper Honda numbers)


    Circuit diagrams are here
    Jazz_climate_control_system_cct_1.

    Jazz_climate_control_system_cct_2.



    If everything else is intact on the system, but the compressor is not kicking in, it might be due to the missing sensor (infinity Ω would imply very cold temperatures). You can put a resistor there temporarily, 3 kΩ would be about 15C and 4 kΩ would be about 10C

    Note that if all the refrigerant has escaped, on the Accord petrol versions the system will not know, and the compressor should still kick in. If it doesn't kick in with a resistor there, and assuming that the circuit diagram above (for the Jazz petrol) is correct for the I-DSI, then it should definitely work when the condenser has been replaced and the system re-gassed (e.g. at a Halfords workshop). If not, there would be another fault e.g. compressor clutch relay, pressure sensor, compressor itself.
     
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  9. legend-ary Moderator Staff Team

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    I-DSI is the petrol engine actually. Intelligent Dual and Sequential Ignition = Two spark plugs per cylinder. but yeah you might be right FL cars were fitted with outside temperature sensor so it could be that. PFL didn't have a outside display so I am guessing no sensor either.

    Diagram 3 seems to be of 3rd Generation Jazz (GE). OP has 2nd Generation GD but was registered in 2009 by which time GE was already in the showrooms.
     
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  10. jimjams Expert Advisor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

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    I looked at the Jazz 2009 1.2 and the 1.4 on Lings and they both had spark plugs, and I wondered why I couldn't see a diesel :Blushing:

    But I did notice that some earlier Jazz didn't have Climate Control. The external temperature sensor is usually part of the "Climate Control" aircon, if the engine is bog-standard A/C it won't require an external temperature sensor.

    The difference between "Climate Control" and A/C is that the latter just blows cold air, whereas "Climate Control" uses flaps to mix the airstream from the heater and the evaporator to control the temperature, and by doing this, the evaporator pulls moisture out of the air as well.

    If the system in the OP's car is not "Climate Control" then a lot of my #8 is irrelevant, and that long wire could be as per your #7, though it does look too long for the compressor.
     
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  11. h_z Junior Member ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    I am really grateful for all those who comment on my post.
    What made me doubt that the condenser was the reason for not getting cold air is the photo attached.
    Just a bit of information
    My car is: Automatic Honda Jazz 2009, petrol.

    For "jimjams" and "legend-ary" special thanks, I found that this wire is the outside temperature sensor? But where I should stick it on the new condenser?

    For "stuscrv" it's probably good idea to find cheaper specialist but can you please have a look on the attached picture for my condenser. I have the same idea as you, to buy new condenser and fitted on myself and just go for recharge!

    For "legend-ary" many thanks for your welcome
    and how much should I put amount of oil inside the new condenser?

    Cheers

    20160218_153118. 20160218_153128. 20160218_153312. 20160218_153317.
     
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  12. SpeedyGee Administrator Staff Team

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    Whoa !!! Easy with the bright blue text @h_z ! No need to change colours and fonts to get the attention of particular members.

    Just add the @ to the front of the members name, example @legend-ary, @stuscrv, @jimjams etc

    These members will then get a notification that they have been "tagged" in a post
     
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  13. h_z Junior Member ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    Many thanks for the advice @
    SpeedyGee I am new here, I don't know how to tag but now I do.
     
  14. SpeedyGee Administrator Staff Team

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    Nearly @h_z ... put the @ just before the username. In the above, you put the name on the next line, so to tag me by typing @SpeedyGee
     
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  15. jimjams Expert Advisor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

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    that's what a badly "perished" condenser looks like, the condenser on my car was exactly the same after I had removed it from the car

    I remember now where I got my new condenser from .... Unipart for £70. Call the nearest Unipart and ask them how much one will be for your car.

    If you want the Honda part number for the condenser on your car, it might be 80110TF0013 or 80110TF0G02
    to check for yourself, put your car reg in this link and you will get to the section on "Air Conditioning" Genuine Honda Parts | Honda Cars | Honda Motorcycles | Honda Power Products | Car Parts - Cars

    But Unipart should get the right condenser for you anyway (they did for me before I knew how to find Honda part numbers)

    The outside temperature sensor will need a clip to hold it on, it doesn't measure condenser temperature, it's just that it's located there on the Jazz, in the air-stream, to measure outside temperature
     
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  16. legend-ary Moderator Staff Team

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    for GD 2,3 & 8 are the ambient sensor + clip so I still don't think the wire you are showing is that.
     
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  17. jimjams Expert Advisor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

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    if 2,3, & 8 are there with a wire attached, you'd be right

    but if 2,3, & 8 are there without a wire attached, then that's where the wire goes

    but if 2,3 7 8 are not there at all, and if the aircon system is "climate control", then 2,3 & 8 are possibly lying on the road somewhere LOL
     
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  18. legend-ary Moderator Staff Team

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    :lol:

    forgive my ignorance @jimjams but to me it looks like 6 goes to 2,3 & 8.
    My car's condenser is much smaller and the wiring completely different otherwise I would have checked that. But maybe that is because his car has climate control as its last of the GD
     
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  19. jimjams Expert Advisor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

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    I don't have a Jazz at all, so I'm in an even more ignorant position LOL

    I'm going by the top picture in #8, and the other picture in #8 (above the circuit diagrams), where the cable is longer and in two sections.

    But if the OP's car is like your Jazz, then maybe someone had fitted an LTI laser jammer, and that has fallen onto the road :eek:
     
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  20. legend-ary Moderator Staff Team

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    see this is wrong as it is from 3rd Generation GE so ignore this drawing..

    Problem starts with this image of his condenser. It is confusing because regular Jazz (like mine) have half width condensers like in this image you posted (see below) BUT mine is a PFL so I thought maybe they revised the design in FL.
    But 2008 Jazz's condenser on Lings is same size as the one he posted so maybe in last year all of them came with climate control or something hence had larger condenser but the sensor location is the same for all
    B__5800.

    Hope this clarifies everything (NOT) :Grin:
     
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