Engine & Gearbox Diesel Clutch & Flywheel change, non-Honda route

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  1. rayhoop Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    Right all,

    Just thought I'd create a little thread to share my experience with getting the clutch and dual mass flywheel changed. Difference being I am taking the risk with using non Honda parts and getting an independent Japanese specialist to do the job.

    Current symptoms:
    Jan 2004 ICTDI.. so Im guessing it is one of the earliest diesels in the UK.

    I bought it from the dealer who supplied and maintained since new, and there was no record of a clutch change on their service computer (I went through the lot!) - so 141k miles on what I believe is the original clutch.

    No slipping in gear, but a very high and vague biting point (makes it easy to change up/down very smoothly!)

    Occasional judder when moving off from a stationary.

    I refuse to test the clutch using the "hand brake up, engage 2nd gear and slowly release the clutch" test... as it puts way too much strain on other engine components... even if it is a one off.

    Whilst there is no slippage at the moment, no matter how hard I have tried to push the car to test it, I think it is about time to swap the clutch before it leaves me stranded somewhere. I will get the DMF done as well, as with that mileage, I would have thought it would be a false economy to try and avoid swapping it. The last thing I want to do is to pay for it all to be stripped down again when/if the DMF expires.

    So - the parts I am looking at are = LUK Clutch kit, and LUK DMF.
    Gearbox fluid = Honda MTF-3
    Clutch fluid will also be flushed at the same time, and the engine treated to a mid service oil + filter change.

    I won't name the independent garage (unless Mods say I am allowed to).

    Job will not be started till Monday 19th, but thought I'd get the thread going in advance.

    Honda were quoting £685 for the clutch change alone, or £1900 for the clutch plus DMF - both these prices include parts and labour.

    [FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]My LUK parts set me back £440 from a generic motor factors (would have been £458, but I flexed my mates rates), and the independent garage has quoted £350 for the labour (including the mini service). I have not used them before, but they work solely on Japanese cars, and have a good reputation amongst the psycho big turbo power Japanese scene, and they are the most local Japanese specialist to me. So will see how they get on! So that is £790 all in for the clutch & DMF change.[/FONT]

    Is it worth risking using non-Honda technicians and parts for the job? Well... I ordered my LUK hardware, and on collection the clutch kit was all original Honda hardware (parts, packaging etc)! The Honda packaging had the LUK part number sticker stuck on beside the Honda part numbers... The DMF was packaged and labeled as LUK.

    I'll let you know how the garage gets on at the end of the month!
     
  2. SayamaAccord Top Contributor ★ ★ ★ ★ ☆

    Thanks for this Ray.

    I think you usually get advance warning slippage when a clutch is on its way out, but as you say this one might not have much longer to go with the high biting point.

    All I would say about the parts and work and in particular the price you were quoted for clutch plus DMF, is that it's always worth having a word with Holdcroft Honda first. :Wink:

    Good luck with the job.
     
  3. Ichiban Founder Staff Team

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    I would echo cliff remarks your initial price from your source is good there is no doubt about it. However we do have a mechanism in place with HH which is pretty good this is not available to all sources, try it out and see where it takes you.
     
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  4. Dave Expert Advisor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

    When I spoke to my local Honda dealer re clutch & DMF (as for one day it slipped but then its never done it since) they quoted the fixed price for the clutch and then said if it wanted a DMF they would fit a non genuine one and not charge any extra in labour which he said was just under £1000 all in.
     
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  5. rayhoop Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    Hi Dave. £1000 is a good price. I was hoping a dealer local to me would suggest something like that but none would budge on the price. my usual dealer seems not to want to be pragmatic, even though I've spent thousands with them servicing my two Hondas with them over the past decade... almost 300k miles worth of servicing! The other dealer is just being stubborn.

    I totally get what you guys are saying about Holdcroft, re prices, I should have dropped them a line for the parts. Re fitting though, i'm based in the sunny South East and cannot justify taking a day out to drive up for the job to be done (self employed).

    I'll see how these guys get on. I remember hearing lots of stories about a Honda tool being required to align the flywheel etc, but hopefully the flywheel and clutch is not to scary to fit.
     
  6. rayhoop Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    Just a quick update - clutch and flywheel fitted. The garage reported it was a pig of a job to get the gearbox off as the subframe is in the way. However, job done and all feels good. The super low biting point took a bit of getting used too, but it bites, drives, gears change smoothly/confidently and there is no slip (I ran the clutch in a bit before pushing the engine a little more than usual!).

    So I'm pretty happy :Smile:

    In addition, the guys replaced a coolant hose to the turbo, which was damaged during the Turbo replacement 2 years ago (at Honda). It was fine back then, but had started to split and seep coolant. The guys didnt charge for this :Smile:

    Whilst they were busy on the car, I got them to replace the clutch fluid and give the engine an interim oil + filter change. :Smile:

    So the clutch change can be tackled by a skilled mechanic, but as highlighted by Dave, it is possible to get Honda to do the job for around the same money. Also, Holdcroft Honda are on hand if required, and if they are local to you etc.
     
  7. Paul Expert Advisor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

    Do you know if they used the correct alignment tool when replacing the clutch?
     
  8. rayhoop Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    I'm not sure. They did not say anything specifically about a special tool. However these guys are Japanese Vehicle specialists do I guess they would be tooled up with the tools commonly used on Nissan, Toyota, Mitsubishi, Subaru and Honda cars.

    The clutch is operating perfectly, and the car actually feels a bit smoother (battery was disconnected so prob forced an ECU reset?).
     
  9. Ichiban Founder Staff Team

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    If they have used a generic alignment tool then you should be good. A car with a new clutch feels it got extra horses under the hood it did on Helens car..:Wink:
     
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