Engine & Gearbox Diesel Starting Problem

Discussion in '7th Generation (2003-2008) [Acura TSX]' started by ton-ton99, Thursday 11th Jul, 2013.

  1. ton-ton99 New Member Getting Started

    Hi,

    I own a 2005 I-CTDI Accord and am having some major issues with her. She won't start. Please accept my apologies for the long post, but I wanted to include everything that has led up to this point for your information.

    I put my car to my local garage to get serviced. They replaced the rear brake discs, replaced the gearbox oil (had to remove battery to do this), replaced coolant, replaced air filter, and replaced the fuel filter. They also cleaned up the fuel lines at the rear of the car since they were showing signs of external corrosion. The 0W30 oil hadn't arrived so they haven't changed the oil yet.

    The first thing to mention is that they didn't use a genuine fuel filter! After the service, when they took her for a test run, it seemed to idle fine and then when accelerating it had a bit of a stutter and then went into limp mode. It was slowly driven back to the garage and the fault code was the usual P1065 (after using a non-genuine filter). We heard a small squeaking noise after the car was stopped, and we found a small hole in the rubber pipe attached to the filter. We initially thought that this was the problem and the pipe was changed.

    Needless to say, this did not fix the problem and was still the same. I mentioned to the mechanic how it was recommended that only a genuine filter was used, so they ordered one. In the meantime they put the old filter back in as we thought that would fix the problem since she was running perfectly when she went in for the service.

    The car still stuttered and still went into limp mode. The fuel lines were blown through using air since it was thought that maybe when the lines at the back were cleaned it maybe dis-lodged something. This still had no effect.

    The new filter finally came and was installed. When we tried her she seemed to work better, but under a bit of load there was still a stutter just above 2000 RPM. When she went back to the garage and was stopped, she will no longer start.

    The system has been bled many times to no avail. A temporary tank was set up to eliminate pipe problems and she did fire up, still with a stutter, but then once she was stopped didn't start again.

    We removed the return pipe that attaches to the pump with a butterfly clip, and fuel comes out of there when cranking. Should this happen? I would have thought this should have some sort of one-way valve?

    The car does bump start with no problems but doesn't start using the starter. The battery tests good, and spins her over normally. I have charged the battery fully again after all these tests. When the car is running it sounds as if it is badly missing and is not smooth. I don't want to run it for long.

    The car had new injectors about 1 year ago and the engine has done 98500 miles. As I said at the beginning, the car was running perfectly before the service.

    I would very much appreciate any help on this so that I can get my car back.

    Thanks for your patience in reading my saga,
     
  2. Ichiban Founder Staff Team

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    Has the system been bled of all the air using the hand primer ? http://hondakarma.com/threads/5049/

    The fuel tank should have 10 liter of fuel ideally to rule out a supply issue.
     
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  3. ton-ton99 New Member Getting Started

    Hi, thanks for the reply.

    We have bled and re-bled the filter using the hand primer. There is approx 3/4 of a tank of diesel and so should be enough to rule that out.

    Is there any other place that we could try bleeding air from the system?

    Thanks
     
  4. Ichiban Founder Staff Team

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    Next thing is to check is the fuel pressure by HDS just to see what the high pressure pump is doing.
     
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  5. ton-ton99 New Member Getting Started

    Hi,

    Is this a specific Honda tool? I only have a generic OBD-II system, but I would be able to take her to a Bosch specialist. Do you think their software would be able to do the fuel tests required?

    Thanks again.
     
  6. Ichiban Founder Staff Team

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    A bosch service centre will have the unit to measure fuel pressure in real time. A generic code reader is a code reader it does not have the advance functions or real time data stream. HDS is a Honda software used to integrate all Honda vehicles.

    if you can get any DTC logged on car that will help too.
     
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  7. ACC-CDI-2T Valued Contributor ★ ★ ★ ☆ ☆

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    Did you check, if they´ve really installed the new OEM filter in the right way ?? (the inlet / outlet hose connection on the top of the filter is marked with arrows showing the right flow direction ...)
     
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  8. ton-ton99 New Member Getting Started

    Hi,

    I have checked the filter connections and they are the correct way around.

    I was wondering if the injectors need re-programmed since the battery was disconnected? Somebody mentioned that certain cars need this done.... Do you think that could be possible?

    Thanks
     
  9. Doc Expert Advisor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

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    The injectors shouldn't need reprogramming unless they have been replaced or recalibrated. That's not something the ECU would forget from having the power cut.
     
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