General Engine Swap into Escort

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Kris81, Sunday 24th May, 2015.

  1. Kris81 Valued Contributor ★ ★ ★ ☆ ☆

    Bare with me guys!

    Would a K24 engine fit into an escort 4th Generation?

    Reason I ask is I've always had a project in mind, which involves a Ford escort 4th Generation 4dr with a good engine fitted, and since i own a CL9 maybe 1 day when it's worth buttons, I could use it as a donor car.

    What's people's thoughts?
    I would be intrigued to hear.
     
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  2. mudfx Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    All about fabrication , there are ford escorts with S2000 engines so it is possible , would be a epic build
     
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  3. DeviateDefiant Co-Founder Staff Team

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    The hardest part is custom engine mounts which allow the engine to be mounted in such a way that the driveshafts line-up with the hubs, then of course there's fabrication for that part too. You also need a custom wiring loom to join onto the stock loom, there's a few companies out there that can do this for you. Then engine management, Hondata K100 probably being the easiest solution.

    There's lots of other tiny bits to consider as well, the K24A3 uses a DBW throttle body as standard, would need to use a K20 cable throttle body instead. You'd need either a custom exhaust or fabrication for the current exhaust to mate upto whatever header you use for the K24. Gear linkages make need custom modification etc.

    There's just a lot of work involved in general, and it's not a project for the faint-hearted. Is it do-able? Hell yes, there's been K-Swaps into all kinds of outlandish models over the years, just takes a lot of research, time and patience to get right on an untested model.
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    I probably should have noted before anything else, kinda need to measure up against your K24 to see if it will physically fit into the bay. But I wouldn't be too concerned, there's K24 swapped Jazz and Minis after all :Laughing:
     
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  4. Kris81 Valued Contributor ★ ★ ★ ☆ ☆

    Don't get me wrong I would not be undertaking the project, I know my limits.
    But a bloke I know would be able to undertake the task, he has built his own cortina 2nd Generation Street legal drag car, it is awesome! And when I spoke to him ages ago about doing such a conversion but with a Prelude 2.2 engine he wasn't phased at all.
    And quoted around 800 in labour to do the job.

    Just wondered if the k24 would physically fit as it looks big.
     
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  5. DeviateDefiant Co-Founder Staff Team

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    That's something best answered by a tape measure my friend :Laughing: I would assume so personally knowing other cars K-Series engine have been put into in the past.

    £800 seems an insanely cheap price, and if he's competent I'd definitely be biting his hand off. You're looking at just above a grand for the K24A3 with ancillaries, it might be worth buying a complete CL9 as a donor.
     
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  6. Kris81 Valued Contributor ★ ★ ★ ☆ ☆

    Check out his car on Facebook, Ian walley racing. It's got a American ford v8 in it, and he wants to build a road legal jet car! Diesel engine upfront and jet in the back, and I've seen the jet engine with my own eyes when I had him fit my springs, which he charged me only 80 to do.
    He works on supras and skylines all day then does his own thing in his massive lock up on a night.
    I agree 800 is cheap like.
    But I have no pennies at the present time.
     
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  7. Pottermus Valued Contributor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

    Why would you want to? You can achieve the same results from a tweeked Pinto or crossflow. If you are going to do the engine swap thing, choose something with some balls lol
     
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  8. Kris81 Valued Contributor ★ ★ ★ ☆ ☆

    Pinto and crossflow they are normally associated with earlier escorts aren't they? 1st Generation and 2nd Generation? Plus I didn't think they could put the same power out?
     
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  9. Zebster Expert Advisor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

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    I used Ford Pinto and Crossflow engines in RWD Escorts 30 years ago while building stock cars for Spedeworth. Good (and cheap) then, but nowhere near the power-to-weight standards of modern, alloy, fuel injected motors with engine management electronics - Pinto was heavy and only gave around 100 BHP as standard.

    With a nod to space constraints, you could probably fit any engine in any car, limited chiefly by how much time and money you have. Personally, I think it's more elegant to stick with an engine made by the car manufacturer, but fitting a K24... Hell yeah!
     
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  10. Kris81 Valued Contributor ★ ★ ★ ☆ ☆

    Escort is 320kg lighter than a CL9 aswell!
     
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    That would make it a reliable Ford..... thats virtually unheard of isnt it? No ford is reliable
     
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  12. Kris81 Valued Contributor ★ ★ ★ ☆ ☆

    Ha Ha !
     
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  13. PeteMM Premium Member Club Supporter

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    yey, someone else completely bonkers/stupid

    I am (very slowly) building up a K24 MG Midget
     
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  14. Kris81 Valued Contributor ★ ★ ★ ☆ ☆

    Wow, that sounds great, wish I had the skills to do it myself but I'm afraid not.
     
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  15. Pottermus Valued Contributor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

    Sorry I completely missed the 4th Generation bit.

    Why not just put a CVH turbo in it?
     
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  16. Kris81 Valued Contributor ★ ★ ★ ☆ ☆

    Mainly because it's been done to death, and the other point is, i already own a CL9 which I bought 2 years ago for 2k, if in a couple or a few years I'm in a position to do the project I've got a full donor car and I will have had my moneys worth.
    And reliability wise the k24 will blow the cvh away!

    I just wondered if it would physically fit as it looks to fill the engine bay in my accord.
     
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  17. Zebster Expert Advisor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

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    It is sometimes necessary to have to enlarge the recipient engine bay in order to make room, but obviously there will be constraints due to structural/critical sections.

    There are better engines than the K24... it's a bit of an NA dinosaur (I have donned my tin helmet and await the flak).
     
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  18. Kris81 Valued Contributor ★ ★ ★ ☆ ☆

    Ha ha, I know the k24 needs some tweaks to get the best out of it.
    What engines would you suggest are better?
     
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  19. Zebster Expert Advisor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

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    Something lower capacity and so physically smaller, but turbo-charged.
     
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  20. exec Premium Member Club Supporter

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    Can I ask why a 4th Generation Escort as its not exactly the best base of a car :Tongue:
     
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