Suspension, Steering and Brakes Honda accord Type-S

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  1. Moslough New Member Getting Started

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    Hello guys i have honda accord Type-S 2.4 2003 model and the ABS warning light and VSA light is on since december2015 but always been going off whilst driving the car thinking its a minor electric fault no problems. But past 2 days its not going off at all and am getting annoyed of how to turn them offf! Can somebody please help me how to switch it off

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  2. SpeedyGee Administrator Staff Team

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    You need to get the code read using a HDS or something like a SnapOn unit (normal OBD reader won't read the ABS codes).

    Most likely it'll be a wheel speed sensor gone.
     
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  3. Moslough New Member Getting Started

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    Damn my freind has obd2 reader i was waiting for him to come to take a look am really confused to what to do i find this really annoying. I have to get the car MOT done on saturday and i think it fail because of these lights
     
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  5. Moslough New Member Getting Started

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    Still have same issue but the car has passed its MOT. the lights go off then come on when it feels but once i turn the engine off and start the car again drive it the lights go off after 5 seconds! I would like to know what is causing the lights to come on??? It sounds very minor to my understanding but i found it annoying. I love these VTEC engines a great car and a fabulous drive had this vechile for 2 years and i don't want to sell it

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  6. Ichiban Founder Staff Team

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    Most probably a duff nearside rear ABS sensor they happen to saloon more than tourer. but get the DTC code read and then see what it really is.
     
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  7. jcalvarez Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    I had a simiular situation for a couple of years, the ABS light coming on from time to time. The diagnostic said "rear driver side sensor". Got lucky for 2 years, passed the MOT, but decided to bite the bullet this year and fix it.
     
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  9. honda_saj Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    Hi There,

    I have honda HDS to diagnose and calibrate the VSA unit, the brake switch pedal or sticky calipers are culprits of the VSA light turning on and off
     
  10. Accord_N22 Top Contributor ★ ★ ★ ★ ☆

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    Definitely more than likely a ABS speed sensor and as ichiban mentions it is likely the rear drivers sensor.
    VSA and ABS lights usually point to a sensor.
    If the VSA light is illuminated alone then its the module system

    The same is happening to me. Luckily I have a foxwell NT630 scanner that can read ABS fault codes. Absolute awesome bit of kit for modern cars.
    I am getting 15-1 and 16-1 fault codes which states short or open circuit of rear driver sensor.

    After clearing the codes they came back a couple times but for the past 3 days it has been ok.

    I would recommend jacking up the car and checking all ABS sensor connectors, clean and reconnect.
    I will be checking my rear driver side this weekend just to make sure.

    Other than that, you do need to get the codes read to narrow and pin point the offending sensor.

    A standard OBD2 reader will not read it, you need a dedicated scanner that can read ABS codes. Snap on, HDS (Honda diagnostic system) only Honda garages will have these or you can get cloned kits on eBay) my foxwell NT630 reads ABS codes and they are not too badly priced.

    I just read a colleagues 2005 accord and the my scanner scanned the dreaded 66-1 code on his :Frown:

    I am holding back on changing my sensor at the moment (quite pricey), as it has not made a reappearance but it is inevitable that it will have to be replaced one day.

    Hope this helps.
     
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  11. honda_saj Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    accord_N22 thanks for your input i agree ichiban is most likely correct on this, but without the code we cannot pin point the fault, when i purchased my vehicle the VSA light would come on after few days, after replacing rear calipers that were sticky and cleaning the brake switch, i reset all DTC's and calabrated the VSA, don't have any more issues with the dreaded light appearing.
    There is some cheap sesnors ABS that have been bought and used, from what i hear they are not easy to replace.
     
  12. Accord_N22 Top Contributor ★ ★ ★ ★ ☆

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    Your welcome Honda Saj,
    That's good news with the VSA light not coming on anymore. the calibration of the VSA system must have done it.

    I have read many threads that the cheaper sensors are hit and miss. Some are too short and don't reach the ABS ring properly and some don't fit and have to be modified alittle.
    Genuine Honda sensors arent cheap, granted but least it fits right out of the box and the job is done.

    Very true, they are tricky to fit. I was tempted to do it myself when the time comes for mine but 99% of the time they will be seized, break upon trying to remove it and it will require drilling out.
    With the car being my daily and no access to a 2nd car as i sold my Prelude a few months ago :Frown: i would need the job done in one day with no issues.

    I have also read that if the offending sensor is either the front or back, removing the rear bearing assembly on the back (only 4 bolts) or removing the front hub (if fronts) the sensor can be accessed from within the hub and pushed out

    What ever you do, don't damage the ABS ring (especially if drilling). Even the slightest chip can render the ring useless. A new ring would be required and for the rear i think that's a whole new rear bearing assembly - LOL
     
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  13. honda_saj Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    Yes its true i have heard that they are seized many times and need to be drilled out, and i understand that with one vehicle you don't want to fit a cheap sensor and then have problems only to replace again, off to the workshop it is then :Smile:
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    what code are you getting ? that will determine which sensor needs replacing
     
  14. Accord_N22 Top Contributor ★ ★ ★ ★ ☆

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    My scanner is picking up 15-1 and 16-1 which points to driver side rear sensor. Upon reading many threads this corner is a very common sensor to fail on the 7th gens.
    Not sure why, as this sensor is on the side of the road which usually doesn't pick up the pot holes or kerb side puddles.

    Heres a list of error codes found from BBA rehman website
    Most should be relevant
    Honda Civic and Accord : ABS ECU fault code identification - United Kingdom | BBA Reman

    FAULT CODE IDENTIFICATION Civic 5 DOOR 1996, Civic D 1997 ONWARDS & ACCORD 4 DOOR 1996 -98 Petrol

    Fault codeFault location
    11Open circuit in right hand front wheel speed sensor
    12Short circuit in right hand front wheel speed sensor
    13Open circuit in left hand front wheel speed sensor
    14Short circuit in left hand front wheel speed sensor
    15Open circuit right hand rear wheel speed sensor
    16Short circuit right hand rear wheel speed sensor
    17Open circuit left hand rear wheel speed sensor
    18Short circuit left hand rear wheel speed sensor
    21Damage to rotor teeth
    31Right hand front inlet, hydraulic modulator solenoid valve
    32Right hand front outlet, hydraulic modulator solenoid valve
    33Left hand front inlet, hydraulic modulator solenoid valve
    34Left hand front outlet, hydraulic modulator solenoid valve
    35Right hand rear inlet, hydraulic modulator solenoid valve
    36Right hand rear outlet, hydraulic modulator solenoid valve
    37Left hand rear inlet, hydraulic modulator solenoid valve
    38Left hand rear outlet, hydraulic modulator solenoid valve
    51The pump motor is locked
    52The pump motor is inoperative
    53The pump motor is constantly on
    54Inoperative relay
    61Low supply voltage
    81The combination control module or relay
    Diesel

    Fault codeFault location
    12Self diagnosis-initiating
    16Left hand front inlet, hydraulic modulator solenoid valve
    17Right hand front inlet, hydraulic modulator solenoid valve
    19Relay of the hydraulic modulator solenoid valve
    25Damage to rotor teeth
    26Left hand rear inlet, hydraulic modulator solenoid valve
    27Right hand rear inlet, hydraulic modulator solenoid valve
    28Left hand front outlet, hydraulic modulator solenoid valve
    29Right hand front outlet, hydraulic modulator solenoid valve
    31Left hand rear outlet, hydraulic modulator solenoid valve
    32Right hand rear outlet, hydraulic modulator solenoid valve
    35The pump motor
    37The (BPP)Brake pedal position switch
    39Open circuit in the left front wheel speed sensor
    41Short circuit in the left front wheel speed sensor
    42Open circuit in right front wheel speed sensor
    43Short circuit in right front wheel speed sensor
    44Open circuit in left rear wheel speed sensor
    45Short circuit in left rear wheel speed sensor
    46Open circuit in right rear wheel speed sensor
    47Short circuit in right rear wheel speed sensor
    48Low supply voltage
    55The combination control module or relay
    56Operating error with fault code indication
    Civic 5 DOOR 1995, ACCORD COUPE 1994-97, ACCORD AREODECK 1995-97
    FAULT CODE IDENTIFICATION



    Fault codeFault location
    1The hydraulic pump motor is over-run
    1-2The hydraulic pump motor
    1-3Is a high pressure leak
    1-4The pressure switch
    1-8Accumulator of high pressure system
    2-1Circuit of handbrake warning lamp switch
    3-1Rotor teeth damaged on right hand front wheel speed sensor
    3-2Rotor teeth damaged on left hand front wheel speed sensor
    3-4Rotor teeth damaged on right hand rear wheel speed sensor
    3-8Rotor teeth damaged on left hand rear wheel speed sensor
    3-12Combination of different sizes of tyres
    4-1Circuit of right hand front wheel speed sensor
    4-2Circuit of left hand front wheel speed sensor
    4-4Circuit of right hand rear wheel speed sensor
    4-8Circuit of left hand rear wheel speed sensor
    5-4Right hand rear wheel lock
    5-8Left hand rear wheel lock
    6-1Front fail safe relay
    6-4Rear fail safe relay
    7-1Right hand front, hydraulic modulator solenoid valve
    7-2Left hand front, hydraulic modulator solenoid valve
    7-4Rear, hydraulic modulator solenoid valve
    8-1Operation of the ABS
    8-2The ECU
    8-4Internal circuit of the ECU
     
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  15. honda_saj Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    How bizarre that the O/S rear sensor seems to be the main culprit, have you cleaned the sensor, some have reported that after clean then sensor starts working again as the brake dust and dirt causes problems with sensor.
     
  16. Accord_N22 Top Contributor ★ ★ ★ ★ ☆

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    I do agree, cleaning the sensor may be the way to go.
    I thought of cleaning the sensor but as they are pain to remove your most likely end of breaking it so might aswell replace it.
     
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  17. honda_saj Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    Leave the sensor in place and use wd40 and isopropyl alcohol spray to clean with a cloth ?
     
  18. Accord_N22 Top Contributor ★ ★ ★ ★ ☆

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    Yep, that would work, remove rear brake caliper and holder, remove brake disc, then remove rear hub bearing assembly. (4 bolts) quite easy apparently.
    Once the bearing assembly is removed (just slides out) the ABS sensor end can be seen.

    Gently use soft bristled brush or use CRC sensor spray which is less aggressive.
     
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    Nice, ISO spray is alot cheaper.
    Yeah I've seen alot of discussions about certain sprays on sensors, lots of mixed comments etc.
    Although for extra few pounds best not to risk damaging an expensive MAF or map or even an ABS sensor.
    You have pm
     
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