General KIA Optima - the Korean Accord?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by FirstHonda, Saturday 17th Sep, 2016.

  1. FirstHonda Premium Member Club Supporter

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  2. Nighthawk Guest

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    My biggest pet hate of the Kia's is that they don't wear well. Interiors get tired quickly and suffers scratches easily. They are reliable however.
     
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  3. FirstHonda Premium Member Club Supporter

    The plastics in my CR-V scratch and mark if you look at them funny...my Accord was different, much harder wearing.

    The interiors in the latest KIAs I've seen are at least a match for my CR-V in terms of perceived quality, and are probably superior.
     
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  4. Nels Moderator Staff Team

    Impressive specs, but not really my cup of tea. :notforme:
     
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  5. Harvey Expert Advisor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

    When my dad was looking for a new car, or rather SUV he was also really considering a KIA or Hyundai offering over a CR-V, but at the end Honda won out. However both are now reliable brands of car. My work colleagye had a Picanto, and while a basic 1 litre shoe box which was noisy at higher speeds it was economical and reliable with a good quality interior. and then he swapped it for a Peugeot 208 1.2, 3 cylinder , which sounds like a tractor.
     
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  6. FirstHonda Premium Member Club Supporter

    I'm not sure why I continue to look at cars...:crazyeyes:

    I've got (just over) a year left on the 0% PCP for my CR-V. Even though I ought to downsize to a Civic or even a Jazz at that point, I'll probably just pay the final payment (£12k) and keep it as I just like it.

    KIA do impress me. The point of the thread was more around how they are progressing at the expense of brands like Honda who seem to be sleepwalking to oblivion in the UK. I'd bet that many current KIA and Hyundai customers once drove a Honda or a Toyota.
     
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  7. Ichiban Founder Staff Team

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    This so called demise of the saloon to the crossovers and SUV's is a load of tosh. Even Mazda have just announced the 6 will get a full facelift.
     
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  8. FirstHonda Premium Member Club Supporter

    Although with an ageing population, SUV style cars - with the higher driving position and entry point - will doubtless continue to grow in popularity.

    Smaller SUVs with just 2WD and small petrol engines - like the new HR-V, Renault Captur, Vauxhall Mokka and others - will be a very important market sector IMHO.
     
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  9. StuH Premium Member Club Supporter

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    You get one engine choice with the Kia - an under powered coal juicer - NO.

    On the whole I find Kia's seouless (see, did you see what I did there, genius). Saying that, the Mrs has the latest i10 and that's been a great little car but she needs something bigger now and I've looked at the new i20 and it really is white goods.
     
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  10. Smokingman Senior Member ★ ★ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    Just hate that big round centre of the steering wheel, other than that it looks nice, due to my partners job she gets to drive various hire cars and seem to prefer the Korian examples over European!
     
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  11. Ichiban Founder Staff Team

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    The ageing population is not highest contributor to the sales of SUV styled cars, I would say across the board all ages are attracted to this segment like wild fire as it change from years of driving saloons. Customers want a change and saloons cars have not delivered SUV filled that void. The fact this segment is so well represented and product depth is so vast and people are seeing them on the roads and buying them. I call it following the sheep syndrome.

    The SUV class does have the merits but these car will never ever handle like a saloon , saloon low centre or gravity low ride height makes it a drivers car SUV well are full of body roll wallow when pushed a loads of understeer. Personally the high ground clearance is a advantage to drivers whose driving skills and driving confidence are on the low side, these cars full ill that lack of ability. LOL

    I see these SUV class the death of car culture as such , everyone top wish list or buying criteria for any car are

    1) Cost of ownership lower the better
    2) Better MPG
    3) Lower Co2
    4) Lower taxes BIK etc.

    Thrown in PCP into the above four you do not ever have to look after your car just dispose of it and get the newer model in 3-4 dependent on your lease terms. Since cars have become apples and pears car pride and ownership have take a back seat and people joy with cars will dimmish further. All new cars are now designed to this life cycle so do expect less durable cars

    We chased lower costs and better car values we have just lost the car culture for future generations.
     
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  13. Ichiban Founder Staff Team

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    Yup that make all mode of transportation with a internal combustion engine to the museums for good. How sad eh it like the socialism mass transport for the mass using the same one mode of transportation.
     
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  14. FirstHonda Premium Member Club Supporter

    To be honest, with my new daily commute I ought to be looking at an electric car like a Nissan Leaf.

    If my employer puts in a charging point then I'd certainly consider it, but as it is I'd have to charge at home one evening each week in order to get through based on realistic range expectations.
     
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  15. exec Premium Member Club Supporter

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    I always thought it looked a bit like an evolved Accord too, they look great both in and outside. My dad has a Kia Carens which he uses as a Taxi and it has been faultless, racked up 50k in 2 years, and it has worn well inside too, apart from some of the seats being stained by passengers, as it is beige inside. The interior is however made from cheap plastic, but the build quality is very good, the bodywork is made from thin panels and the paintwork is thinner. Kia's and Hyundai's are also bland as hell to drive with awful handling and lack any character, the engines are dull to, thus will never ever be an Accord equivalent, I think the closest thing to an Accord in the current market is the Mazda6, which is a brilliant car, the current Mazda range is superb and their interiors are arguably the best out of the Japanese lots, bar perhaps Lexus in the quality of materials, but the Mazda interior design is few notches up.
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    One of my colleagues has a Leaf, broke down a few times and the service from Nissan was awful. One to avoid, Honda need to release an electric car onto the market, they should be leading the pack and not being few years behind!
     
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  16. Harvey Expert Advisor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

    As the age of the autonomous car gets closer and closer will that bring an end to the traditional camping and caravanning holidays of generations passed? Not to mention road trips. I suppose though in certain circumstances driverless cars will be of benefit, such as in large urban areas and the commuter runs, where there is organised chaos at present. Personally I enjoy driving and will continue to for as long as permitted. Hybrid cars and electric cars I could live with as long as they look good, not like a speedbump with wheels that is the Prius. what would be nice is if these electric vehicles came as a manual transmission vehicle for those that enjoy the experience rather than just an auto/CVT or direct drive car.
     
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  17. Accord_N22 Top Contributor ★ ★ ★ ★ ☆

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    This is probably what the 10th Generation accord should have been. Real shame Honda didnt develop it any further.
    As mentioned, people say that nobody buys saloons anymore. Rubbish. People still buy the Passat, Mazda 6 and Audi released its small A3 saloon which I have to say does look really smart indeed. Almost tempted - lol

    I think the 7th Generation accord was the last real honda saloon. The salesman at the honda dealer when i was getting my air bag sorted said: the 7th Generation accord (when released 2003) was so fresh and new it actually got people out of their 3 series beemers and into an accord. Ooh how times have changed - lol

    In my opinion and with the new Civic just been released, and the not so nice new Jazz I think Honda uk will be pulling out of Europe very soon :Frown:
    I think the HR-V has definitely got something going for it and the new CR-V is really nice but the prices i think are putting people off and heading towards the Hyundai Santa fei which is actually really nice and a big rival to the CR-V
    Its tough times ahead for Honda I think.

    It is a real shame, as my next car probably won't be a Honda. It could possibly be a Lexus but who knows lol
     
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  18. legend-ary Moderator Staff Team

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    I just saw a Mazda 3 Saloon :Wub: I think 6's overhangs are too long but this 3 looked well nice
     
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  19. FirstHonda Premium Member Club Supporter

    I test drove one before I got my CR-V.

    Nice enough, but very unrefined to drive. Lovely interior and spec though.

    I understand Mazda announced the discontinuation of the saloon recently due to poor sales...but you can still buy one at the moment.
     
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  20. exec Premium Member Club Supporter

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    Are you sure? the 6 has been doing good, and they have just refreshed the whole range and made some big improvements and added that new tech they developed to do with G forces or something.

    I drove an i30 few months back with my Zipcar membership, it was very disappointing, nasty to drive, comfy, but just had horrible steering, engine and handling and the interior was pretty naff too, but no worse than the Golf in that department.
     
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