Pre-Purchase Looking to Buy

Discussion in '1st Generation (2004-2011)' started by kes, Monday 11th Aug, 2014.

  1. kes Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

    Hi there,

    With a third baby on its way I'm looking to get a FR-V as need three child seats to fit the rear and it seems a perfect candidate. I have a few questions

    I seem to be edging towards a facelift (EX model)as they have parking sensors, aux input, rear privacy glass as standard. Are the facelift versions worth the premium? as most of these can be fitted aftermarket and the price between pre and post are quite large.
    Do many people get theirs remapped? My mrs is used to driving a 3litre diesel which is remapped, decatted amongst other things and is worried it might be underpowered, we understand it's not built to be fast though but some power would be nice.
    I have done some reading in regards to clutches and see that if getting it remapped the clutch will be put under stress, anyone had a cg motorsport clutch fitted like the Civic owners?
    Lastly if anyone has a well looked after example (has to be black) please let me know.
     
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  2. DeviateDefiant Co-Founder Staff Team

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    I'm no expert on the FR-V but here's a brief overview of the '07 Facelift differences:

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    I-CDTI diesel Hondas are quite popular for remapping, though it's been observed many times that this can lead to component failure if not done correctly. As you mention it will put extra strain on the clutch which can severely shorten its life, the job is quite involved and will cost a fair few pennies. I personally would do it, but that's because I love squeezing all the power I can out of a system. I would say that unless the clutch fails, there's no point in looking into the aftermarket options until that time - some owners have had no clutch issues at all with a remap, just something you have to bare in mind. If you do remap, choose a reputable outlet like Celtic Tuning.

    Personally, I'd be going for a petrol because like with all Honda petrol engines - they're all but bulletproof. If economy was a concern I'd rather LPG a petrol engine still than buy a diesel. That's just me though :Smile:

    For Facelift vs. Pre, I'd say that budget dictates on this one, if you're not going to be putting yourself out by buying a Facelift - then the stock extras are worth it. If you're looking to spend as little as possible, buy a Pre-Facelift and as you say, add the improvements you want in your own time later down the line.

    The FR-V is an extremely spacious, comfortable and reliable family car, but they definitely weren't built with power in mind.
     
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  3. Tris Junior Member ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    We have had our 2.2Cdti for some time now (approx 5 years) and I get to differ on the above statement the torque and driveability of the 2.2 feel a long way from the traditional diesel feel in other cars. They do have power just a shifting weight about comfortably and not drag racing power in mind. I wouldn't worry about a remap out of the box it is lovely to drive and has more than enough power. Thing to remember is it is a large vehicle weight wise and it is potentially a 6 seater if required if your worried about the power too much perhaps your looking at the wrong Honda

    We went for the standard model as the parking sensors arent a concern, rear privacy tints I did myself on the rear windows standfast the domed rear glass.

    Would definately buy another one and they are holding their value so well and quite rare on the roads. We have rarely used to the front centre seat as a result it makes a nice armrest folded down. Space wise its amazing what I have moved with the rear seats down!

    Great vehicles don't worry at all. Find a forecourt with one and give it a blast
     
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  4. DeviateDefiant Co-Founder Staff Team

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    Perhaps I put my previous statement badly, the diesels are very reliable compared to other manufacturers - my point was that the petrols have the fewest issues in general :Smile:
     
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  5. Tris Junior Member ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    I am a petrolhead at heard having a background of tuning B series Honda engines and bolting turbos to them don't get me wrong given the choice I love a good Honda petrol engine, but the FR-V is specialist vehicle and a heavy lump and the petrol engines fitted lack the grunt required to shift the chassis. As a result the Cdti is the pokiest of the class with the huge torque figure to boot.

    Kes I'd say do a comparison with the previous 3L engined vehicle to the FR-V and let the figures do the talking. When you consider the 2.2Cdti performance and see the MPG it returns as well its a great all rounder. Only issues I have heard with the engine is the clutch but (touch wood) with a stock map we have had 5 years trouble free. I think the resale prices of the Cdti FRVs speak for themselves.
     
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  6. Ben28 Senior Member ★ ★ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    I have the facelift 2.2icdti es in black but won't be selling for a good long time yet!!
    I'm not saying she handles like a boat, because she doesn't.... I just wouldn't want her anymore punchy!
    I'm getting about 48mpg doing 60mph to work and back.
    My first Honda has entirely won me over.
    Good luck
    Ben
     
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  7. kes Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

    Thank you everyone for the detailed replies. I have done a comparison against our current family wagon (e46 330d touring) and the FR-V is 2.5 secs slower to 60 and this is not taking into account remap and mods. Plus points are it's 10mpg more economical and 100kg lighter (German cars are so heavy).
    I would love a petrol but agree with Tris in that the deisel seems to be the better suited. Hopefully will test drive a few now, they are so rare especially where I stay.
    I would probably use the sixth seat quite often as we sometimes carry an extra adult and it would be handy for airport journeys etc. I'm quite hands on and only take our cars to the garage for their MOT but am looking forward to Japanese reliability.
    Your right about values as I think all the FR-V's seem to hold their value really well. The only cheaper ones seem to be high mileage ones which doesn't worry me, our current car has 180k and still going strong. Baby is not due till next March so have plenty of time if the right one comes along I will buy early.
     
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  8. Dave Expert Advisor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

    My I-CTDI (Accord) has ran almost faultless and now has 178k miles on the clock I change the oil every 5k using 0-30 bought in a 25 litre drum for around £100 works out a lot cheaper than buying it separate. 5k oil changes maybe overkill but it won't do it no harm I don't do a lot of mileage anymore so it's only 2 changes a year.
     
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  9. kes Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

    Hi Dave,
    That's good to hear. You have the same logic as me, I do regular oil changes (usually 6k).
     
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  10. Ben28 Senior Member ★ ★ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    Do you use a sucker thing to siphon the oil out of the dipstick tube? Any experience or thoughts on those devices?
     
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  12. kes Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

    I just use wheel ramps and drain the conventional way. Going to see a FR-V at the dealers tomorrow just to see what it's like.
     
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  13. SpeedyGee Administrator Staff Team

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    @Ben28 As per the link that @Nels posted, I did a test after using the compressed air operated Oil Pump and barely a trickle of oil came out from the sump. So its seems they do a very fine job.

    I concluded that I would do a manual drain via the sump once every third oil change (I do 6000 mile oil changes). This would ensure sump plug does not get stuck onto sump due to lack of use and any contaminants left at the bottom of sump are also removed. But overall was very pleased with Oil Pump.
     
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  14. Princepugh Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    I’ve got a 57 plate FR-V, which is the face-lift I-VTEC 1.8 petrol engine and yes, the motor doesn’t produce a huge amount of torque, although pick up in the lower gears is surprisingly spritely. The plus side with this I-VTEC sewing machine is that it’s happy to spin and deliver the necessary power without ridiculous fuel consumption. In practical terms, this means that with a full load you do need to use the gearbox, use the revs a bit and plan ahead for inclines but it’s not really a problem. My last car was a remapped Volvo V70 T5 so the FR-V was a massive come-down for me in terms of torque and power but it ferries my family around (that’s three kids, one baby, wife, paraphernalia and me) without any fuss.

    Personally, I’d get the facelift version as it will probably hold its value better – parking sensors are a bonus on this car as the high back and poor rear view can be a challenge when squeezing into tight spaces. Also consider additional luggage requirements/ options as the boot isn’t massive and you may need to expand on it for holidays etc. – roof rails were an option which you may find beneficial.

    Other comments

    · The load cover in the boot is a daft compromise, privacy glass would give you some level of mitigation if you chose to ditch it.

    · The middle front seat is great but presents a compromise with boot space if you also use the rear middle seat, as both need to go back.

    · Storage space is ok but not brilliant – the door pockets are quite far down compared to the seat height and the middle seat ‘drawer’ is actually quite small, as is the glove box, as are the dash board cubby-holes. There are no useful storage compartments in the boot, other than in the spare wheel well.

    · The gear shift position is brilliant – don’t doubt it as it makes perfect sense after about 2 miles.

    · The parking brake is a daft compromise but you learn to live with it.

    · The head-restraints in the rear are too easily pushed down by careless kids.

    · Although all three rear seats are independent (i.e. not a bench) they are still fairly narrow so be sure to test your kids car seats to make sure they all fit.

    · The seat belt buckles on the rear and front middle seats become a tad difficult to access if you have a kids seat installed, when the middle seats are pushed back – again, it’s something you learn to live with.

    · Space in the cabin is generally very good, the ride is good and the car is relaxing to drive.

    · Good load carrier with the rear seats down and seat fabrics are holding up well
     
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  15. kes Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

    Thanks for the detailed reply princepugh. I test drove a 1.8 facelift yesterday and reading your post all make sense. First time I've been in a FR-V. I really liked it.

    Power wise I felt it could do with more and would like to try a deisel to compare. I can live with the petrol but would before abit more grunt.
     
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  16. moob Valued Contributor ★ ★ ★ ☆ ☆

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    We had a 2L, was a great car, but thirsty and lacked power.
     
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  17. Ichiban Founder Staff Team

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    I won't say the K20 lacked power it just need to driven like a motorcycle or change all gears into top at 4300K RPM. Thirsty yes they are but if driven sensibly they can give very very impressive MPG. You have the best of both worlds which are manufacturer and engine can give you that experience.

    I just say to people who main goal is MPG look elsewhere Honda do exhilarating performance fun to drive cars with a compromise and reliability being paramount.
     
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  18. Princepugh Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    To give you some idea of fuel economy from the R18 mill, my average from fills I've been able to record, which accounts for a mix of driving but plenty of inner city taxi stuff, is 33 MPG.

    I also commute from Sheffield to Warwick once per week and my average for those runs is currently 41.5 MPG, with a best of 44.3 MPG - but those are computer indicated, not fill calculated, if that makes sense.
     
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  19. moob Valued Contributor ★ ★ ★ ☆ ☆

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    I'm gonna disagree with you here.

    The 2L in the FR-V was shy of power, that's my opinion having owned one for 1 year or so, although the wife was the main driver. You could get 30mpg around the town, that was the norm, longer trips were 44mpg, which was OK.

    I think Honda do make fuel efficient cars.

    My accord was 45mpg around town, with over 60mpg on a run. If I really took it easy I achieved over 75mpg on a run from Glasgow to Stirling.

    I had to use my wife's 1.4 Jazz when I took the kids away on holiday for a few days. We generally took it nice and slow and the Jazz returned 60mpg.

    My 7th Generation Civic with over 117k on a 1.6 VTEC gets 40mpg around town.

    And yes, I do know how to verify MPG before anyone pipes in. Honda computers are very accurate in my experience.
     
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  20. Ichiban Founder Staff Team

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    Bud I have to disagree you just didn't know how to extract that power. As for fuel efficiency you have answered you own question.
     
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