General New Toyota Supra, Worst Engine Choice

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by DeviateDefiant, Saturday 8th Nov, 2014.

  1. DeviateDefiant Co-Founder Staff Team

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    Let's face it, the Nissan GTR is pretty much the last remaining balls-out JDM pure-performance car, a remnant of the 90s glory years. Honda are getting somewhere up there with the new NSX, but that's more a luxury super-car than a track king. I was pretty excited when I heard the new Toyota Supra was on its way, no apologies, one of my all-time favourite cars.

    2016-Toyota-Supra. 2016-Toyota-Supra-side-view.

    She's a little disproportioned, but she's not that bad a looker either right? It's just really the side profile which is lacking from my perspective.

    So, who's going to bring the fight to the GTR, NSX and any other contenders for JDM performance models?

    BMW.

    For a company that has its premium-arm, Lexus, producing some big performance lumps for the IS-F and other high-end models world-wide. Who thought it a good idea to bring back a beloved Japanese classic with a German engine? Disappointed isn't the word.

    I really want Honda to put out some proper performance model, which isn't a hatchback, and isn't a pricey niche supercar.

    PS: On that note, I love my Honda gossip, and there's waves lately about the return of the Integra (let's not forget the S1000 talk either). That, would be perfect.
     
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  2. Nighthawk Guest

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    I really like the look of that Supra - but a V6 isnt enough for that cars image unless they do something seriously fancy with it. Fell in love with that shape ever since I first saw the picture of one.

    Lets hope they don't screw it up.
     
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  3. DeviateDefiant Co-Founder Staff Team

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    It's not getting a V6, it's getting a run-of-the-mill I4 with a turbo :Frown:
     
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  4. Nighthawk Guest

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    ahh sorry, misread it - thats shocking. They might as well have chaved up a Starlet to look really quick and left the stock engine in it.
     
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  5. DeviateDefiant Co-Founder Staff Team

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    It'd rather they shoved in pedals than a BMW engine :Laughing:
     
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  6. SpeedyGee Administrator Staff Team

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    Blow Me Westward !!! What on Earth has BMW got to do with Toyota ?? What am I missing ?
     
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  7. John Dickson Expert Advisor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

    Am I reading this right??? A BMW inline 4 with a smaller electric unit in a Toyota???

    A BMW hybrid effectively.....

    Aren't there plenty big Lexus hybrid engines they could use?

    Another dream shattered. That's two today. As you all know I'm keen on the Infiniti Q50 as a future Accord replacement. Well any Q50 but the diesel asit's aMerc clatterer in that one.

    I read an article today about the Q50 2.0 turbo and it also has a Merc petrol engine and gearbox :Sobbing:

    (I'm assuming of course this was an article with the facts correctly stated and not just another motoring journalist talking twaddle)
     
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  8. hedleyf Senior Member ★ ★ ☆ ☆ ☆

    It,s a shame, working for Toyota for the last 15years there has been so many changes, I suppose like Honda itself,
    one of our best selling vans for the last 25 plus years and along side the transit is the Hiace,Not really a Toyota fan but I could always admire tha Hiace as a product they got right, then they stopped making it .? For another new model? No ,they just stopped making it, then a few years on and a lot of lost customers they bring the all new Hiace out, Great, well not really because it,s a rebadged Renault, ya, a product plagued with problems, to the extent that we refuse to sell them.
    The link with BMW has been around for a while and our next range of Diesels are supposed to be of BMW origin .
    What happened to the Japanese engineering that we all loved , the simplicity, the reliability, etc?.??
    It,s not only Honda under change but also other manufactures , it seems backward in my mind as surley the likes of BMW and others should be fitting Jap engines,
    Modern business concerns define logic in my mind, but there you are.:boast:
     
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    BMW engine in the new Toyotas? That has just sealed their demise for me in my books....

    I miss the old jap cars....
     
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  11. Ichiban Founder Staff Team

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  12. John Dickson Expert Advisor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

    Just the usual B******$ you hear....

    Why won't people wake up and just admit there hasn't been a decent, quality, engineering wise, reliability wise German car made for 25 years. Their glory days of "German engineering" are over. Just listen to what people have to say who have had problems with German cars and then the truth comes home to roost. Wallet emptiers and that's just for starters.

    If they actually bothered to switch their brains on, they would realise the blatant nonsense in that pea brained statement "Toyota recalls 3 million cars...." yes to acknowledge a problem and do their utmost to rectify a fault..... Is it better what BMW would do - i.e. ignore the issue, tell customers to F-off and continue to replicate the problems and worse in all the turd that comes out of Munich? :Rant:

    Sorry rant over :Grin:

    Perhaps Toyota think their cars are too reliable so this is a scheme to rectify that!

    Let's hope SG aren't reading this and getting even more stupid ideas......
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    Unfortunately having now been disowned and cast a drift by Honda, Infiniti using Benz in their cars, Mazda reheated Fix Or Repair Daily.... No Primera anymore......No Gallant......

    Looks like Lexus is the only solution for those who want a (sort of) Japanese saloon now. Don't forget Subaru of course but just takes a few idiots to get too high in Subaru and goodness only knows what could then happen to ruin Subaru....

    Of course forget practicality and buy a GT-R :Grin:
     
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  13. vtecjay Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    Bring back old school!!
     
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  14. exec Premium Member Club Supporter

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    Toyota entered a partnership with BMW a while back, so not surprising, most car brands are so diluted now.

    So with the Japs you have is:

    Nissan-Renault-Mercedes
    Subaru-Toyota-BMW
    Toyota-BMW-(Suzuki, Daihatsu)
    Mazda - used to be Ford but now independent
    Honda - totally independent. :Wub:


    Honda literally is the only independent car maker in the world, can't see them ever losing that as they are fiercely independent company.
     
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  15. Ichiban Founder Staff Team

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    Honda is still very much independent engine builder but Honda is starting chose more german vendors for their cars. The High powered 160 BHP 1.6 I-DTEC CR-V will be attached to nine speed auto box made by ZF

    ZF Friedrichshafen AG | 9-speed automatic transmission

    ZF's 9-Speed 9HP Transmission Puts Dog Clutches On The Leash

    These boxes will pop and Honda's name rubbed in it.:no: I don't know why Honda didn't go Aisin AW they are Japanese and Lexus uses them High Torque Capacity FWD 8-speed AT (AWF8F35) | AISIN AW CO., LTD.

    Just hope Honda rethinks before the launch of the facelift CR-V the yen is cheaper now.
     
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    I thought Ford still held a very small holding with Mazda? There's also Mitsubishi who I think have had more partners than a woman starring on Jeremy Kyle and Suzuki who I think are part owned by the Bavarians?

    I hope Honda stay pure.

    Aren't ZF just a transmission manufacturer though so it's not really a partnership with another car manufacturer just as the 1.7 diesel in the Civic was a non-Honda engine also? I mean there's plenty of non-Honda parts in our Hondas, it would be a tall order (although preferred) to expect them to make everything when it may be more economically viable to use a specialist and make sure it passes their quality control?
     
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  17. exec Premium Member Club Supporter

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    That's very disappointing to hear, those ZF boxes are always failing, how come Honda are not building their own? Since they have always made their own gearboxes! Still I would class them as being independent as they are not owned or in partnership with other marques nor platform share any models, but I always took pride as a Honda fan in the fact that they made their own engines and gearboxes, which very few manufacturers do.

    I guess Aisin wasnt considered because they are Toyota owned arent they?
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    I think they may have shares in them, but the most recent Mazda platforms, the skyactiv ones anyway are all Mazda and not based or shared with Ford to my knowledge, although they will be sharing their new MX5 platform with Alfa Romeo.

    Suzuki is owned by Toyota, I think Mitsu used to be controlled by daimler/chrysler.

    Agree with what your saying with the parts, most secondary parts are made by 3rd party companies, but I thought I would never see Honda use any other gearboxes, as they have always made their own, don't see why they could not have designed their own dula clutch tranny, they have the capacity to do so with their great engineering heritage.
     
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  18. Ichiban Founder Staff Team

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    Yup Toyota owns Aisin AW, but Honda need to get over cold war as they still use Denso for a lot of other items.Honda still makes Autoboxes in-house but the urgency for this launch in Europe does not give Honda R&D sufficient time to make it test and deliver it.