General Q: What do you get if you cross a Honda with a Mazda?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Sprockutt, Thursday 22nd Jan, 2015.

  1. Sprockutt Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    A: A Monda!

    Aside from being a terrible joke this marriage made in heaven (from my point of view at least) actually exists. Many of you will be aware that as well as my trusty Honda Logo I also own a Mazda 1st Generation MX5. I have and will be adding a couple more minor performance upgrades to this car this year but if I was going to spend big I had it in mind that I would most likely go down the supercharger route. That was until I stumbled upon this badge when I was on revlimiter.net looking at buying a more retro badge set for mine. This set me off on a bit of a tangent and about an hour or so later I was desperately trying to figure out ways to fund this project. Ultimately reality set in and it will have to be shelved for now but one day I will own a Monda..

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    Check out the KMiata site here that tell you all about the K Series engine conversion and the kit they provide to do so. Not cheap but Automek - Servicing & Performance Tuning who are Honda/Japanese specialists and who I use for all the work on my car/s would be perfect for doing this conversion for me as they specialise in this kind of performance work.
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    Oh and you can hear just what a K Series engine sounds and go's like in a MX5/Miata here..:shock:


    Want :happycrying:
     
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  2. exec Premium Member Club Supporter

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    Better off just buying a S2000, vastly superior in everyway. :sparta:

    But that is cool, love MX5's, and one with a proper engine like a K20 is probably going to be mad to drive!
     
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  3. Harvey Expert Advisor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

    why go down the mighty car mods route and turbo power it?
     
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  4. Sprockutt Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    As I mentioned in the OP if I was going to spend some serious cash I had always thought about strapping a supercharger on. Would prefer that over the turbo for the instant power available through the rev range and the intoxicating whine. But that wasn't the point of the post. It's a Honda forum...I'm a big fan of Honda quality and engineering and also a fan of the chassis, handling and fun factor of the 1st Generation MX5. Put the two together and you have an insanely intoxicating mix. KMiata certainly seem to think they can make a business out of selling theses kits. Would I prefer that to a S2000? Yes I probably would. But then again even though I'm a fan of all things Honda I don't agree that the S2000 is vastly superior on every way to an MX5. It does have a vastly superior engine. I can agree wholeheartedly with that.
     
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  5. Harvey Expert Advisor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

    I suggested it because its something that I have sewn has been done and there are mods available to convert. Plua if you look at mighty car mods, they havw the mx5 up against an S2000.
     
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  6. Sprockutt Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    Ah, apologies, I misunderstood. I'll check out the Mighty Car Mods comparison.

    But to be fair to exec he does make a fair point. IF I was ever likely to go down this route it would be insane not to check out what I could get for my money elsewhere. The Mazda was only ever meant to be a bit of fun at the weekend for little outlay. But if I was to spend much more on a weekend toy then it would be silly not to consider what else I could get for my cash. The S2000 would be at the top of the list to try first.
     
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  7. Harvey Expert Advisor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

    don't get me wrong, you couldn't compare a stock mx5 to a stock S2000, but when a modded, mx5 can trounce a stock mx5 then its something, and IIRC, it wasn't for that much of an outlay.
     
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  8. exec Premium Member Club Supporter

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    What that company called who sell tuned up Mx5's? They make some seriously tasty machines with superchargers and other mods, they could easily challenge an S2000 performance wise, but the driving experience would be totally different I would imagine, and it would come down to what you prefer. I'm N/A fan so would probably head towards an S2000, but I would love to own a bog standard 1st Generation or 2 MX5 one day, i love the whole concept of it being a simple, fun RWD sports car, you don't need a big engine or lots of power to have fun and thats what the MX5 proved and what it was all about.
     
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  9. Ichiban Founder Staff Team

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    Just goes to show Mini, Mazda, Toyota's and other piles of poo want to use a Honda K series in them.
    It does not take a genius to figure out how good Honda engines really are. :sparta:
     
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  10. Harvey Expert Advisor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

    Thing is with the mx5 is that they took the concept of a British sports car, improved upon it and made it reliable, compared to MG and Lotus products, the S2000 just took it to another level.
     
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  11. Captain Slow Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    I've owned an NA miata and an AP2 S2000. The miata does a few things better than the S2000, that's true. But the S2000 does so many things so much better than the miata that you just don't care. Headlights go up is at the top of my list. But more seriously, the miata is a lot lighter on it's feet and there are a few reasons why. First, the miata is 500 lbs lighter; no amount of power or brakes or grip can make up for that lack of weight. Second, the miata has a quicker steering rack; It's not the best on the highway but initial turn in is amazing. Finally, it's got a square tire setup; the miata is always in perfect balance- never understeering, only oversteering if you really mean to.

    Points for the S2000 go to safety, ergonomics, confidence, and fit & finish. First, safety, wow. If I'd been rear ended in my miata, I would have been seriously hurt, probably for the rest of my life. Second, ergonomics, wow. The S2000 fits me like a glove. Everyone knows that it's driver oriented with the switches for everything within fingers reach from the wheel but it's more than that; the wheel, the pedals, and the shifter are all perfectly placed. Third, confidence. To me this is what makes the S2000 a sports car and the miata merely a sporty car. The S2000 supplies you with so much grip, a predictable balance, and the power/brakes to push harder. You have the confidence to go faster than you would have thought reasonable. It's intimidating, really, because you know any mistake you make will be a big one. But I have as much fun at 7/10ths in the S as I had at 10/10ths in the miata. Fourth, fit & finish, wow. It's like comparing a car to a horse. The miata has a hard plastic dash, the seats are cheap which you feel in your back, the door sounds like you've had a collision when you slam it, and the shifter belongs in a kids toy box. Both the miata and the S2000 are quite firmly sprung. The S2000 makes up for this with it's seats. While I wouldn't want to go cross country in the S, I'm not tired out by a commute to work in it. Beyond that, it's everything. Everything you see and touch is pleasant. The dash is soft, the wheel is leather, the shifter is metal and leather, the arm rests on either side are cushioned vinyl, the digital dash is a delight. 99% of the time you spend enjoying your car is from the drivers seat and as such, I can't under sell the value of interior quality. The S is just a nice place to sit. You know the rest- a bit more weight, a lot more power, a lot more brakes, a lot more grip, a great noise. It does understeer a tiny bit on it's way to the apex but evens out on throttle. The staggered wheels are a calculated move to maximize the power you put down while minimizing the weight of the steering and supposing you'll do more 100-40 mph braking than you do 60-0 stops. The ABS kicks in a whole lot in the last 30 mph of an emergency stop.

    Also, negative points to the miata for emptying the water content of the roof onto my lap every time I opened the door while it was raining.
     
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  12. Sprockutt Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    :sorry:

    Ok I'm sorry I mistakenly thought this post would be of interest to at least some of the HK community. A car that has made it onto countless lists of the Worlds best sports cars (MX5 not the S2000) is made even better by the addition of a Honda engine. Unfortunately this hasn't been the case and it's turned into an MX5 v S2000 debate. I'll reiterate that it was meant to be a discussion focused around the K Series engine. I did not set out to criticize the S2000 at any point as I'm sure it's a fantastic car in every way imaginable. I certainly would never rule out owning one for all the valid reasons that Captain Slow points out.

    I'll get back to the safety of praising my little Logo and from now on will never ever mention any other manufacturers again as they are all pile's of poo :Niceone:
     
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  14. exec Premium Member Club Supporter

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    I don't think it is that way man, i thought the car was awesome and the video and I love MX5's, the x vs y debate is just normal i wouldn't get worked out about it, its a discussion forum so people will make points and comments and discuss things, the whole point of the forum.

    Speaking of the MX5, the new one looks awesome and I love the sharp styling of Mazda at the moment and their range as a whole.
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    Another car that the K20 would have been perfect for....the RX8, great car, with a lovely engine but one that likes to self implode.
     
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  15. Sprockutt Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    Aw man if that is the case I find myself in the position for apologizing twice in the one day. This isn't something that comes easily to me! Ok here goes sorry for being all sensitive and huffy. But the 'Just goes to show Mini, Mazda, Toyota's and other piles of poo' quote and all the :sparta:emoticons made me think I should have posted this on a Mx5 forum instead.

    I'm not digging the new MX5 at all. I think I will reserve judgement until I see it in the metal but my initial impressions are that they have got it wrong. It reminds me of a fish at the front!?
     
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  16. Captain Slow Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    Sprockutt, you should never feel stupid for sharing. I'm just a newbie trying to make my experiences valuable. I'm glad that miata exists. I would never have the determination to undertake such a project.
     
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  17. exec Premium Member Club Supporter

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    No need to apologise man, those are all just banter and said in jest, and you should be used to Ichiban's pro-Honda comments too, infact i've tried to wind him up a few times with pro Toyota comments for a laugh :Devil:

    I think the new MX5 looks better than the outgoing one which looks very disproportionate, was shaped like a boat and looked like a frog from the front, the new one is very pretty, perhaps a bit too pretty as its bordering a bit on the feminine side like 1st Generation and 2.
     
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  18. Sprockutt Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    Thanks and I'm a relative newbie as well. This is a very good site you have found and one that made me very welcome right up until they found out I owned an MX5 Miata :Wink:

    Anyhow I would love to plan such a project and make a pretty unique car. But when I start doing the sums it adds up to a whole lot of cash. So I have been secretly checking out the going rate of really nice examples of S2000's and I would be crazy not to consider going down that route. I really do need to test drive one to get a feel for them. As it is me wee Miata is ticking enough boxes to put a smile on my face in the meantime. I actually think I just need to get back out driving it again as I'm spending way too much time on the net buying bits and looking at engine conversion websites. Roll on Springtime and I can head to the highlands again!
     
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  19. Harvey Expert Advisor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

    I did not say that the mx5 was a bad car, and I'd say I am pro car, no matter the make, unless its a Ford, with the exceptions of some Mustangs and escorts.

    To me a car is both a means of getting from a to b, some cars such as thr mx5 do it better than others and put a smile on your face while doing it. Alot of people don't rate Peugeot and citreon, but the pug 205 gti is iconic 80's hot hatch and the 106gti and Saxo VTR where both great little cars for thrashing between corners, none of which where particularly high quality cars in terms of sheet metal used as they where renowned for being made of tin foil, but they where damn good fun to drive, even me old 1.1 205 and 106 where fun little cars to drive even if they where not fast.
     
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  20. Captain Slow Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    The miata is a great car to learn rear-drive dynamics on. It's extremely forgiving. It's a modders car though. It's raw clay. You're supposed to change everything. You just have to pick your mods carefully so that you don't end up with a $4000 car that has $10,000 in mods. You never get that money back at re-sale. I wish I had liked my miata more. It was super cheap to maintain, cheap to insure, miata owners waved at me, and it was the perfect amount of beat up that was nice enough to show off but beat up enough to park anywhere. I never even locked the doors. What a luxury. I'm led to believe I need to spend a lot of time worrying about thieves in the Honda.
     
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