Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by exec, Wednesday 29th Oct, 2014.
Thought this was quite funny
Not one Japanese manufacturer mentioned!
Funny stuff. Still won't stop the masses flocking for German cars.
Some of the comments on this article was interesting, how accurate
German cars 'among worst for engine failures' | Auto Express
Nick DeJong • 2 years ago
German manufacturer NEVER had a reputation for relaibility. Only magazines like Auto Express elavated them to superstar status over the past few years by being impressed with things like "soft-touch dashboard plastics". I have often chuckled at how car hacks confidently recommend a car as a 'Best Buy' on the basis of having spent 2 days with it, and being 'impressed' by its "jet-afterburner shaped air vents", and "how flatly it corners at 100mph"!! For those of us who pay for our cars with our own hard-earned cash and live with our cars for a few years, factors like reliability and comfort matter a whole lot more.
Murgatroyd Nick DeJong • 2 years ago
Yes, "quality" is judged very superficially, e.g. fit and finish of interior trim. A quality car is one that provides durable, reliable transport year in year out, which cannot be judged on what the glovebox is like. A fancy finish does not mean that you have a quality car.
Arjuna Weerasinha Murgatroyd • 2 years ago
completely agree. living in SRI Lanka in 'less than ideal' conditions with high humidity, you should see how Audi interiors look like in 5-6 years.. the trim literally melts away on your fingers.. and i've had 5 BMWs which makes you think that BMW lives off your repairs! on the other hand, all the Hondas i've had, had zilch problems... so i guess i can relate to this.
Dav6 Arjuna Weerasinha • a year ago
If they're that bad,why do you keep buying them? (BMW)
John Hogg Dav6 • a year ago
Badge envy, simples, the buyers grew up as kids when bimmer was cool and premium and built high quality to last (my e30 three series was a great car)... By the buyers now still associate,the badge with success
Neil O Arjuna Weerasinha • 2 years ago
This is a good point.. different manufacturers design for different markets.
Look further dwon the comments though and there are some gems!
Here's just two examples referring to SEAT:
"They use the same poor quality German parts, and are designed by the same idiot German designers, so yes, they may have a Spanish name but they ARE German!"
"You obviously share my views about overblown German "craftsmanship"!"
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A few more couldn't resist:
"German stuff is sh#te, never had a good one yet,,,"
"Not really rubbish mate, our works car park is full of all sorts of cars, the ones generally leaving on trailers to the garage are Audi's and BMW's. We have one Audi A6 3.0TDi here that has had 2 new gearboxes within 30k! By the sounds of it you have been very lucky with your cars but don't expect that to go on. I was look with my Alfa 147, did over 120k in it and never missed a beat just had its service and my old Astra barely had a service and still racked up 50k in just over a year and never did a thing wrong. A friend of mine has also had 2 turbos on a Golf in less than 20k! So they really aren't all that."
"As others have said, it's anecdotal. To demonstrate this I had a passat for a year, oil leak, water leaking into the passenger footwell, new brake calipers, the list goes on. I have had an alfa 156 for the past 5 years, It's done 165,000, original engine, turbo etc, I've only had to replace things which have worn like track rod ends, tyres, wishbones, filters"
"Used to have a Golf - went bang at 60k and drained my bank account in process. Like I say German cars are rubbish"
"155000 miles is NOT that much, I drive cars up to double that and way past the lifespan cars has. My 2003 A6 had engine and electronic problems by the time it got to 170000miles and by 200000 miles one of the drums inside the auto box broke into pieces. while my 1997 Subaru impreza drives without a hitch and it is also standing at 200000miles, my 1985 Alfa has proven more reliable than ANY of the German cars that has been in our entire family, In fact all but of my family drives a German car currently, they all moved to Japanese cars except my aunt with her VW Jetta which is more at the workshop than in her garage...O yes our family business is selling car parts/ spares... guess which parts get sold more .... German and guess which spares is the more expensive spares.... German."
"VWs are badly engineered s***e, gulp oil and fall to bits, BMWs fall to bits and cost a fortune to run (and make you look like a w****r driving one) and Merc are now an old mans brand, making average and often shonky cars... There are not genuinely good German cars nowadays..."
"I have owned 8 German cars in my time and looking back they were the worst. I was taken in and to a degree, brainwashed by the hype but really they were crap in every single way! Engines that needed constant servicing yet still burned oil at a rate of knots. Trim that fell to bits in your hand an more design faults than successes!! I remember many years ago swapping a BMW E38 with was riddled with faults and had cost me a load to keep on the road with a guy with an Alfa. The Alfa (the same age car) was perfect with no problems which went on to give me 5 years of sterling service with only a driver's side window switch needing attention. I now avoid German stuff, I can't trust it..."
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A lad my brother works with recently bought an Audi A4 (I think it was)
It was running rough as a bag of hammers so he suspected the piston rings. A recent publication by Audi stated full admission that certain engines had been fitted with the wrong piston rings in the factory.
He went to his Audi dealer to query this and they admitted that his car was one of the ones affected....... "That will be £3,000 for an engine rebuild please" was their reply.
"What about my warranty cover?" he asked.
They ummm'ed and ahhh'ed and said "Ok yes it's covered under the Audi Warranty........But it will still cost you £300 to continue your Audi warranty once we've done the work".
Now bearing in mind he cannot live without a car and usual standard of Audi customer service was no service at all I think he has had to cough up the £300 to continue his warranty as they would not budge.
Result is he will never buy another Audi and will run this one til the warranty is up then dump it onto someone else (he can't afford to change cars just now)
Why do people still buy these pieces of turd?
The power of a certain type of car badge is strong for some people regardless of whether it is actually any good or not.... thinks it makes them look important.
Although you may not be actively listening, subconsciously, the messages and feelings projected by the advertising gets into your head. Many people genuinely believe that Audi make good cars. Additionally, they project the image that owners of these quality engineered vehicles are the successful elite. Therefore, if you drive one, you must be one of this exclusive group. Most of the adverts for aftershaves and fragrances use a similar technique. In reality, many smell awful, cost pence to make and deliver obscene profit margins. But hey, it's on TV, so it must be true.
There's a term for the technique used there @Nels but can't remember what it is. It definitely works as well.
The first publicised use (I think) was in cinemas where a split second image of ICE cream flashed on the screen and the increase in ICE cream sales was amazing.
Just a bit of trivial, useless information there. You never know it might be the bonus round question in the pub quiz one night....
IIRC, that's subliminal advertising. Very powerful, and was banned eventually.
That's the one. Just couldn't get that. Yes it was banned but there is still a watered down version of a similar effect - like you say above the Audi product is portrayed as a quality, well engineered product, which is bought by life's winners and to own one elevates you in to this elite club, the upper echelons of society.....
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I am of course more than happy to stick with my Accord - a true unique choice.
Truth be said, it can even get to my head , but fortunately I come back to my senses.
Had a rep come in to work the other day. I couldn't see his Passat CC he got brand new in August. It was in the garage for the NINTH time! It was delivered to him with misaligned doors and it's gone downhill from there. Latest problem is a serious leaking issue through the window seals.
That would finish me with VAG for life but so many people have ridiculous issues like this and then go back for another and another and another....
He said he won't have another, to rub salt in he says the dealers are terrible. If it carries on he's going to try and reject it with the leasing company.
My albeit brief experience of VW dealers was not impressive. I had Golf 4th Generation TDI highline 130 company car for a brief time. It drank engine oil like there was no tomorrow. Oil needed topping up every 2,000miles. Well I say topping up, that implies there was oil left in the sump. This thing seemed bone dry after every 2,000miles.
I went into the VW dealer and they looked it up on their system and said it wasn't down for a recall and "Some VWs are just like that mate...."
Before I bought the Accord I was buying a Passat 2.0tdi, it was only when I started reading the VW forums did I realise what utter garbage they are. The most alarming 'feature' of the car was the desire to burn injectors with no warning, this leads to a complete shut down of the engine, not even a limp mode. I talked to a local VW specialist and he said that was the tip of the iceberg - electronic handbrake modules that fail quite regularly, corrosion, wheel bearings and he said "what ever you do do not buy a DSG out of warranty". I went and got the Honda.
Just to counter a bit.
I came to the Accord from a petrol Skoda Octavia VRS (2.0 T same as Golf GTI) which I had for 7yr from new and did 83k in.
I had 0 defects in the first 5yr I had it, absolutely nothing. the TFSI engine which has a reputation as an oil drinker was nothing of the sort for me.
In year 6 the ABS module went pop, this a was a common fault (Google Teves Mk60) across a lot of cars due to poor design, even that wasn't hugely expensive to fix (£300), I also had to replace two hubs due to rusting of the magnets in them for the ABS, again poor design/costs cutting made that a bigger repair than it should have been.
The final issue for me (as well as a bit of boredom) was that rust appeared on the sills. There was stone chip protection paint on the lower sill but again the bean counters had been at work and it wasn't put up high enough which meant that rust appeared above the paint line. I don't do rusty cars, other than that the car was still rock solid and the engine pulled like train. Paper MPG was 35.7 and I regularly was able to push it above 40mpg.
VAG is getting very greedy. the VRS I bought was a bargain, £16k for a car that was bigger and better equipped than a GTI golf as long as you weren't a badge snob. The equivalent car now is the best part of £26k.
Father-in-law is an Audi man and had had some niggles with both his 2010 and 2014 cars. The 2010 model left him at the side of the road with a sensor fault.
I was going to say the only VAG products I'd consider are from Skoda, particularly the Octavia VRs. I've had a look at the new one and it's a very nice car indeed.
The Skoda is a VW Passat chassis and takes a lot of electronics from the VW Passat too.
Admittedly, Skoda have come an incredibly long way since VAG bought them out, but they are basically a cheaper VW.
If I was to pick any other car than a Honda, it would be a Lexus. I honestly cannot think of any other car I would go for other than that. Either way, my choice personally, will always be Japanese whichever way I went.
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