7th Generation (2003-2008) vehicle added by ChrisF, Wednesday 15th Oct, 2014
ChrisF added a new Honda to the garage:
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Love the alloys, same as my Accord.
For the last couple of years, I'v had a super whiney alternator. I've had it checked by a couple of mechanics who've said it's operating fine just leave it. Random slow cold starts, sometimes good sometimes won't start at all. I had to get breakdown out this week for a dead battery, again alternator charging fine, breakdown guy said it's probably just been the weather nothing to worry about.
I picked up a Bosch s4 from costco for £41.39 (bargain) fitted it this morning just in case it was the battery which was 3 years old (fitted by kwikfit, as a last resort on a sunday afternoon with a car full of family, so probably not the best)
Kwikfit fitted a 40Amp battery instead of 45Amp battery....typical. Took it for a drive, alternator whine gone, starting perfectly. BOOM!
Another reason why not to use cowboys like Kwikfit - they have no idea what they are doing.
However in the case of an emergency with the family in the car and no other option, you had no real choice at that time. Glad you got it sorted in the end.
I have a Varta in my car (Varta make Bosch batteries), got a 72 Amp one for the extra diesel push as needed. A few years down the line, and she still starts on the button. Some people underestimate the importance of a decent battery.
As a rule, kwik fit is always a last resort
@ChrisF out of interest, what did the alternator noise sound like, was it akin to the noise when reversing?
I've got a weird noise from my Jazz in 1st and 2nd that is whiney.
It really depended on how much electrical stuff i had on. With the A/C, headlights, heated mirrors etc. It was like a high pitched whistle, my wife mistook it for a police siren in the distance a couple of times.
@moob - Jazz's can have whiney gearboxes due to their bearings.
I'm assuming with the battery being 5Amps short, the alternator was having to work harder to make up the shortfall? 5Amps is quite a lot to be short on a car this size isn't it?
Pretty much mate yeah, thats my understanding, you can actually run a car with just the alternator.
Aye mate I know, but I heard a recording of the gearbox noise and it sounded like a whirring sound.
Maybe I should record it.
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Damn. I've just read a few more descriptions of it and my gearbox bearing is shafted. I feel like an idiot.
Anyone know what the prognosis is, should I just drive it until something happens?
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@ChrisF yes it sounds like this may have just been overload on the alternator. You would expect Kwikfit to at least have a reference chart of batteries for different vehicles it aint too much to ask is it? Glad it's sorted though.
Kwikfit is worse odds than winning the lottery. If you find a good one they are knowledgeable and very good but it's the odds of getting to find a good one that is the problem. The better staff tend not to hang round long I think.
@moob do you know how old the gearbox oil is mate? Just a random suggestion but even if there are no issues with the gearbox, a gearbox oil change can make a massive difference.
Hondas love fluid changes and it's a relatively low cost thing to try first. Had a clutch fluid change on a previous Accord and it was like a new clutch. Not that there was any noticeable problem before hand but Hondas love fluid changes. Sorry to repeat this but it is a point worth stressing.
If a previous owner has neglected maintenance simple thing like fluid changes bring a massive difference.
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Sorry @moob I missed this bit before I posted the last comment. Sorry to hear it's the bearing. You could get a recon gearbox from a transmission reconditioning specialist or scrappy. Perhaps even a transmission specialist could refurb yours depending on what needs to be done it may be a cost effective and practical solution.
I have no idea of the price but Honda dealer would also price for bearing replacement, gearbox replacement depending on what is needed.
Is this your new Jazz by the way? I can't remember if you bought it privately or from a dealer. If it was a dealer was there any Warranty cover?
If I remember correctly, it was a private sale @John Dickson and @moob sorry to hear its your bearing. Beefy mentions the issue here and how to resolve it:
Engine & Gearbox - gearbox noise
Yeah lads, private sale. Thought I'd researched this properly and knew what to listen for, baws.
What happens if I just continue to drive with it like this?
You may get away with replacing the two main bearings a suggested in the link above.
I'm not sure what will happen if you just continue to drive. It may be ok but my thoughts are if some bearings have gone, could the main shaft now be running eccentrically and therefore putting additional stress on the other bearings etc outside of design limits.
I honestly don't know mate. Sorry. I'm sure someone on here will be able to help better.
Perhaps it's worth getting the price as beefy suggested in the other thread if nowt else at least you know what you're looking at mate.
Thanks very much for your help John, you've been very helpful as usual.
No probs Rob. I hope you can get it sorted and it isn't too expensive. It's a shame cos it is a lovely Jazz apart from this.
Had car at honda specialist in East Kilbride today called Automek, they seem to be well regarded on Civinfo.com. I was impressed by their attitude and knowledge right away.
They said my bearing is away but not too serious atm, but I will need to budget for it getting done in the future. They only use genuine honda parts and MTV, they've done upwards of 70 similar jobs.
He said all in price including supply fit with all 7 bearings would be about 450-500.
Seeing that this is really the only fault that the Jazz suffers from, 500 quid isnt too bad as once its done, its sorted and then you are going to have trouble free motoring.
Glad you got a proper diagnosis
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