When I picked my wife's 2014 car up, I went to the service desk to ask about the oil they use - knowing about the 0w20 due to this forum!!!!! the girl on the counter said they use Castrol 0w30 and showed me the can sat on the desk advertising their oil. I thought I would try and order some oil from another dealer, so I went into their parts and asked for Honda 0w20, he brought out Shell 0w20, when I asked him for specific Honda oil he brought out another can. I was looking at it and noticed the date - 2009, he admitted he had it for a long time!!!! Why is it that forums know before dealers????