Body, Paint & Styling Is the 7th Generation Honda Accord body galvanised?

Discussion in '7th Generation (2003-2008) [Acura TSX]' started by Rakoribs, Monday 15th Oct, 2012.

  1. Rakoribs Senior Member ★ ★ ☆ ☆ ☆

    Hello folks,
    Is the body shell or any of the panels galvanised on a Honda Accord for extra rust protection?
    I'm looking to buy a 2006/2007 tourer (diesel), due to the reliability claims i keep hearing (my previous and current Alfa's have nearly bankrupt me!).
    I wasn't sure if rust on the underside (or body) is an issue with these cars?
    Many thanks.
    Regards, Mark.
  2. Ichiban Founder Staff Team

    England CJ Leeds
    The car is dipped into an electrostatic primer it grey in colour , Honda uses high tensile steel.

    Hope that helps have a look at our YouTube account you can find a few clips from Honda car manufacturing at Swindon.
  3. I think they do corrode like any car but it's not a recognised issue on the 7th Generation, whereas corroded brake and fuel lines on the 6th Generation definitely is.

    On the 7th Generation unlike the 6th, the lines are plastic coated, and there is a splash panel under the engine bay area which keeps the worst off. Eventually it will take it's toll though no doubt.
  4. Dave Club Veteran ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

    I've got a 56 plate tourer with almost 160k on that and there is no rust showing yet. Do your homework before you buy one though clutch/VSA/cracked manifold will cost you in the long run. Plenty of information on here regarding extensions to the warranty but there all mileage restricted.
  5. Rakoribs Senior Member ★ ★ ☆ ☆ ☆

    Thanks for the info.
    That sounds like normal body preparation in the car industry, no extra rust proofing for Honda's over Fords or anything else then.
    I know that Audi's and Volkswagon's since late 90's have galvanised bodies which means the shell and (some of the) panels don't rust until well into the later lifetime.
    After all the comments i've heard about Honda's have great reliability and longevity, it would have been nice if the dreaded brown car killer was held at bay as well.

    Although I'm not sure if all manufacturers use high tensile steel, so that might be a bonus.
    Ultimately I don't know what difference the high tensile makes though, i'm outside my experience and knowledge comfort zone :Smile:
    - Stronger for less dents? Heavier? Less tinny/rattle sounding panels?
    - Greater resistance to rust?

    Cheers, Mark.
  6. Rakoribs Senior Member ★ ★ ☆ ☆ ☆

    So the usual protection - plastic coated brake lines (fuel lines as well? or s/steel?) and engine undertray.
    I want a MUCH more reliable car, which in Britain includes resistance to rust.
    But I've got my mind set on the Accord and it seems galvanised bodies are still a minority, VAG group and probably some mercs and BMW's.
    Well at least i know its worth checking underneath as part of the inspection of any car i'm viewing.
    Cheers, Mark.
  7. Rakoribs Senior Member ★ ★ ☆ ☆ ☆

    Clutch: I've read on the forum that clutches can go early on these, but I don't know if its a problem for all 7th Generation Accords or certain models/engines/years?

    VSA: I didn't realise there was a problem with the traction control and electrical safety gubbins, what goes wrong with that? Is it restricted to certain cars or a bit of a lucky dip?

    Cracked manifolds: This one i've seen reference too a number of times - but i though the Honda warranty had been extended to cover this so there should be no cost to the owner - have i missed something?

    Thanks for the input guys, the more i'm forewarned about to consider and check, the less chance of me getting another money burner which i can't afford.
    Cheers, Mark.
  8. These issues affect diesels not petrols.
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  9. Bram1874 Junior Member ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

    Hi Mark

    I've just come over from Alfas to Honda and know what you mean about Alfas emptying wallets very quickly!!!

    What Alfa did you drive?


  10. Rakoribs Senior Member ★ ★ ☆ ☆ ☆

    I had a 155 2L 16V TwinSpark for about 7 years and I've presently got a 156 Ti Sportswagon (1.9 16V JTD), which I've had for 3 years.
    The sportswagon Ti is gorgeous (love those leather sports seats & the Ti 17" alloys) and drives great, but as my local Afla specialist put - "you've had all the previous owners share of the bills, then your share of the bills and then a good part of the next owners share of the bills as well."
    An awful lot needed doing in a pretty short space of time - I bought it for £6k, then in the next 2 years spent about... £6k keeping it on the road. Not something I could or can afford.
    Its down to just servicing, consumables (tyres, etc) and the odd normal age/mileage induced fault now, but I didn't have a chance to enjoy the new car feeling as it soured pretty quickly - so I just want to move on now.

    If I keep this one or if I park another Alfa in the drive - the wife will leave me and so will the bank manager shortly afterwards :Smile:
    Cheers, Mark.
    Last edited: Tuesday 16th Oct, 2012
  11. Bram1874 Junior Member ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

    Hi Mark

    I also had a 155 2L 16V and loved it, also a 164 Cloverleaf (fantastic car), a 2LGTV and up untill this weekend a 156 20L JTS.

    I bought the 156 in April last year for 2.5K and alrady spent up to 1Kish on mending it due to various issues so its had to go. Like you my feeling for the car have soured very quickly so am now looking forward to Honda ownership.
  12. Rakoribs Senior Member ★ ★ ☆ ☆ ☆

    Sounds like you're more of an Alfisti than me lol.
    Good luck to you in your hunt for a reliable motor too m8!
    Cheers, Mark.
  13. ACC-CDI-2T Valued Contributor ★ ★ ★ ☆ ☆

    In the german shopmanual (2003-2007 Accord) there is a info sheet about the carbody structure / materials (see attachment - unfortunately in germ. language ... but i´ve made some red coloured comments in engl.) According to that, some of the carbodyparts are in germ. = "verzinkt" - that could be indication, that they are really made of zinc plated steel sheet ... :Smile: But im not sure, if it really is ...

    In any case, parts made of zinc plated, galvanised steel sheet would provide a much better protection from corrosion than a single zinc based primer, but it would not lead to such a brilliant protection as a fully final galvanization of the whole assembly would create (cause punching, welding and hard beading of pregalvanized steel sheets normally leads to some corrosional unprotected, zincfree areas on the single carbody parts...)

    I think, after a few years, a additional body cavity protection seems to be a good idea anyway ...


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  14. Rakoribs Senior Member ★ ★ ☆ ☆ ☆

    Thanks for the insight into the manufacture process, I can follow what you have said.

    That document seems to state that most of the body is galvanised (google says "verzinkt" = "galvanised" & "hochfestes stahlblech" = "high-strength steel plate").
    Assuming they are stating a molten zinc bath (fully assembled) as we would consider galvanised, rather than the zinc primer already mentioned.

    A friend at work suggested checking what the perforation warranty from Honda is on this model - if its about 10 years they would only commit to that if it was fully galvanised, if its about 3-4 years its a sure bet its partially galvanised or not at all.

    It looks like perhaps many of the panels themselves are galvanised before assembly, then the shell finished with a zinc primer bath.
    Its looking like there is no simple answer to my question - but at least much of the shell is likely to be galvanised and along with the use of strong steel, its likely to me more rust resistant than the Fords and Alfa's I have owned in the past.

    Thanks for all the replies and eagle eyed observations.
    Cheers, Mark.