Reviews Michelin CrossClimate Tyres (All-Season)

Discussion in 'Member's Reviews' started by DeviateDefiant, Monday 16th Nov, 2015.

  1. DeviateDefiant Co-Founder Staff Team

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    So I'm currently running Michelin CrossClimates on my '07, they're 225/45 94W XL on stock 17" x 7j rims.

    Many here know I love my Michelin tyres, you can always trust in them, at their best they are stellar performers which excel in all attributes, but as a brand trait they often wear quite fast and when low don't grip as well as they get low. CrossClimate are what Michelin call the first summer tyre that's approved for winter use, wearing the 3 snow flake symbol showing their regulatory approval. Receiving pretty rave reviews throughout, I had to give them a shot as the rubber to mate on my winter wheels.

    My two points of comparison with these tyres are Michelin Primary 3s, an all-round summer tyre not aimed at performance or economy particularly (those roles falling to Pilot Sport 3s and Energy Savers) as well as Michelin Pilot Super Sports, their flagship balls-out summer tyre for fast road and track use, one of the best in the world. Of course, I've driven a shitload of tyres, but these are the easiest for me to compare to.

    Handling

    In essence these tyres perform quite like Primary 3s in terms of overall handling ability, similar above average cornering, traction actually quite a bit better considering the power I'm putting down with far less wheel spin, but also some points where they struggle.

    The traction limit through tight corners is also surprisingly good for an all-season tyre, I can pull 90 degree bends at 45ish without feeling like the backend is going to slip. A subjective statement and very much based on a car's suspension set-up, but for mine that's pretty impressive. Like most Michelins I've driven you feel yourself coming up to the limit of traction and it doesn't just flail out like many cheaper tyres I've driven, you can trust in them and find your limits quite safely. Thumbs up.

    I mentioned wheel spin, these are really grippy tyres in general. If I go WOT on an fairly bumpy surface I will get some minor slip and VSA light flicker on, but for an all-season tyre it's utterly fantastic. My Pilot Super Sports here wouldn't slip, they're insanely good, but for what the CrossClimates are I cannot fault them in the slightest. The biggest shock to me was that they slip far less than my old Primary 3s, a dedicated summer tyre.

    Braking

    Dry braking isn't great, and wet breaking is pretty poor. This isn't a case of, don't buy them, you can't brake - but more these tyres are marginally worse than your average summer tyre. This is a trait probably inherited from the winter tyre tread pattern used despite the summer tyre compound. I find myself braking a lot earlier than I did previously and for the first time feeling I nearly "ran out of brake" a few times over.

    Once you've learn them, they're fine - but don't expect summer tyre like braking.

    Wet Performance

    Superb in the wet in general. You feel safe within your limits and even though I like to push my car, I've never experienced anything close to a skid. But there's one thing these tyres really suck at, and that's their anti-aquaplanning properties. I've never come across a tyre which gets so affected by puddles and pools of water, you get grabbed pretty hard and the car wants to pull to the side, far worse than any other tyre I've driven. I'm talking here about standing water a couple of inches deep, surface water in the rain there's no issues at all and handling is great.

    Snow/Ice Performance

    I've had very limited experience with this so far, almost feels like I'm prematurely writing a review because of that - though I know many people here are most interested in how a winter approved tyre performs in standard conditions. Anyway literally only two mornings I can think of where it's been below the freezing point. I can recollect I was surprised at how little the slightly icy roads felt like they affect the car, but I'll have to update this review with further comments once we're further into winter.

    Summary

    Comments are based on this being a winter approved all-season tyre, if it were a summer tyre it won't be quite as much to rave about but overall I'm quite impressed.

    + Impressive Dry Handling
    + Great Traction
    + Quiet
    - Braking Performance Isn't Great
    - Terrible Anti-Aquaplanning Properties

    Overall I'd give them 8/10 and would buy them again happily for winter wheels. I'll update this thread further into winter.
     
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  2. SpeedyGee Administrator Staff Team

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    I found that Anti-Aquaplanning was poor on the Michelin Primacy 3s as well. Which was part of the reason I moved away from them, the other reason being they wear too quick.
     
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  3. DeviateDefiant Co-Founder Staff Team

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    I can't remember it being particularly bad on them tbh, but they definitely did wear super-quick.

    Did notice that while I paid like £120 a corner when I first bought them, you can now buy them for under £75.
     
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  4. SpeedyGee Administrator Staff Team

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    There a few spots on the outside lane of the A46 dual carriageway from M40 J15 towards Coventry where large pools of water can gather in heavy rain, the Premacy's didn't at all handle those well even when they were new.
     
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  5. DeviateDefiant Co-Founder Staff Team

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    Yeah I wouldn't run Primacy 3s again regardless, can you remember mine at the end of their life with the amount of slippage they had? Pilot Super Sports are in another league entirely.
     
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  6. sc489 Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

    I need to replace two Michelin Energy tyres on my Accord. I looked at the Cross Climates but there are mixed views on only fitting two tyres. Honest John says you shouldn't do this but Michelin says it should be fine. I'm concerned by the braking comments above and might choose
    Goodyear Efficient Grip Performance tyres which are rated better than Michelin Energy tyres for economy and noise.
     
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  7. Bounder Valued Contributor ★ ★ ★ ☆ ☆

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    I'm running the Cross climates in 205/55-16 I find them very good, no problem with aquaplaning at all. Maybe the narrower section tyre works better?
    I had Nokian Weatherproof before these and I rate them highly as an all weather tyre, maybe a little quieter as well.
    Personally I prefer All-Weather tyres as they do away with messing between Winter and Summer tyres.
     
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  8. jd1959 Top Contributor ★ ★ ★ ★ ☆

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    Thanks for the review :Niceone: The aquaplaning would be a big issue for me given the amount of standing water on some of my frequently traveled roads. I'd +1 @Bounder for the Nokian Weather proof as I have them on the Fit and find them quite good all around as an all season. In saying that I'm not overly aggressive as a driver and I seriously doubt I ask anywhere near what you do out of your Accord.
     
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  9. ACC-CDI-2T Valued Contributor ★ ★ ★ ☆ ☆

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    Many thanks for your feedback. I´m just running 205/55 R15 94V Goodyear Vector 4 Seasons XL FP and I am quite satisfied
    with them. Nevertheless Ì wanted to try CrossClimetes next time. But now I think better of it - it´s raining cats and dogs
    over here ... :depressed: :depressed: :depressed:
     
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  10. 1066Boy Club Veteran ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

    Good review that I read with interest. I am thinking of crossclimates for my next set as they seem to tick all the boxes.
    Running Dunlop sport Maxx RT at the moment.
     
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  11. Bounder Valued Contributor ★ ★ ★ ☆ ☆

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    Update, the fronts are now 60% worn with 14k miles on them since fitting, I have to say I am slightly disappointed with the wear characteristics of these tyres.
    Second point I would add is with some heavy rain and standing water the aquaplaning that others complained of but I had never experienced has come to light.
    Hitting puddles at 60mph would result in the VSA light flashing and noticeable lack of adhesion.
    Having had these back to back with Nokian Weatherproof I am going to go back to Nokians when this set is worn.
     
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  12. Hartiza- Junior Member ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    I fitted a full set of 225/50-17 Crossclimates on my Accord last summer, i drove only for few months with them. Really comfy tyres, nothing bad to say about 'em.

    I'm actually working in a tyreshop here in Finland, sold them quite a bit. One client said that those make a lot of noise but keeps on driving.. (some old Volvo)

    All of us workers here (3) fitted these tyres, all of us are happy with the comfort of these, can't tell about the wear rate.

    The roads here are in pretty bad condition so in here if you get ~19k miles out of tyres thats a good result.
     
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  13. Dutchstream Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    Interesting to read. I just ordered the Nokians for my Jazz and i'm also in the market for a set of rubber for my CR-V. For the CR-V I'm still looking at the Michelin CC, Goodyear Vector 4 gen 2 and the Nokian's.... Looking at the test from the German AutoBild the Goodyear and Michelin are pretty good in dry, wet were Nokian is just average (but very good in snow). Autobild did a test on these tyres while new, half worn (4mm) and worn (2mm). The Nokian had the biggest differences and therefore should be changed at 4mm to be in the safe zone. The Goodyear and Michelin deliver good performance throughout their lifespan. Difficult choice! The Jazz gets the Nokians since it is a town car and my girlfriend doesn't like driving in the snow. Therefore the Nokians are best and the way to go. My CR-V however will drive most kilometers on the motorway and probably in dry conditions. The Nokian therefore is at this time the least wanted on my list.
     
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  14. 1066Boy Club Veteran ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

    I did consider the Crossclimates but in the end I went for Uniroyal Rainsport 3's. We don't get much cold weather on the south coast but
    when it rains we get loads.

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  15. Dutchstream Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    Had a discussion with the tire guy this afternoon. Pulled the trigger on the Michelins. Asked for the GoodYear's but they are the same price as the Michelins. I expected the GY to be cheaper. Anyhow, at the same price I prefer the CrossClimate. Need to wait now until mid Jan since he is very busy. Will report back when I have some mileage on them.
     
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  16. jd1959 Top Contributor ★ ★ ★ ★ ☆

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    I'll put another one into the mix. I had difficulty finding a set of tyres I could afford in the size I wanted 205 65 r15 96 XL. I put a lesser but well reviewed brand 2016 Auto Bild all-season tyre test, Fulda Multicontrol and so far have been happy. That the Cross Climates are better tyres is a given, but for 1/3 of the price the Fulda have been quite capable, quiet, and very comfortable, no sign of hydroplaning in the wet although the test results showed a slightly longer stopping distance in wet something I keep in mind. In the little bit of snow they saw were fantastic, the normal frost and black ICE patches I encounter they drive like its sunny and dry out. I don't push the family bus hard and in fairness the Stepwgn was never designed with hard cornering in mind, but for someone who might be a bit more economically pressured they have worked out well.
     
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  17. Dutchstream Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    Good to read. Of course the tests always test extremes. When did I brake from 60mph to 0....? Or did I go look for the speed that tires go hydroplaning...? Or go and find the speed that the grip is lost in dry conditions? I never did that. Like you said, the way you drive the tires work perfect and I guess that is fine for 90% of the people out there. On my Stream I have driven 'Landsail' tires which are very well priced and did the job. Fulda is a well-known brand so you cannot go wrong with that.
     
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  18. Pottermus Valued Contributor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

    I don't like the idea of cross climates. I much prefer to have a set of summer and a set of winter tyres for optimum performance in all weathers.
     
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  19. jd1959 Top Contributor ★ ★ ★ ★ ☆

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    I would agree with you if you live in an area with definite distinct seasons. At least where I'm living the temperature during the winter months rarely see negative numbers and the most we really get is frost and a bit of black ICE in the early hours of the day. This was the first year in 3 that we had snow which lasted for a whole day! Most of the driving for me is in the 5-10c mark which is really getting too warm for true winter tyres. Summers aren't a whole lot better with temps 8-20c. I found all season the best compromise, a bit better handling in the cold and occasionally slippy conditions without the wear issues that you get running winter tyres in conditions that are too warm for them. Theoretically you do get a bit worse handling in the summer on all season (not that I have found given my driving) but I worry far more about finding myself in a ditch due to slipping when the temperature occasionally drops. As I said a compromise that fits some climates.
     
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  20. Pottermus Valued Contributor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

    The expense offsets itself as when you are not using one set of tyres you are not wearing them down.
     
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