Introductions My CDTI - Timing Chains story. - only if I had found forum earlier

Discussion in 'Introduce Yourself' started by Coco, Thursday 7th Jun, 2012.

  1. Coco Junior Member ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

    I have recently purchased 04 Honda Accord 2.2 I-CDTI but still wondering if it will ever put de smile on me face.

    The car had done 176k miles but though drives good, the timing chain is rattling and as suggested by various garages, it will cost 800 – 1400 pounds minimum to fix. The dealer conned me and my mate to believe the chain only needs adjustment and does not even require changing but as I now know that was one fat lie.

    I have contacted the dealer with this information who on insisting he rectify the fault asked that we meet up for a chat. I did meet him and after much talk he raised his courtesy offer from £200 to 300 with condition that I sign a document stating no further fault will be referred to him which I rejected.
    Though the car was having 1year MOT, as it drift left while driving and started making a humming like noise within the back part I decided to go for another MOT out of curiosity. The car failed with the following reasons:

    1. Front (both) front suspension has excessive movement at a wishbone pin or bush [2.5.A.1c]
    2. Rear (both) tyre has a lump, caused by separation or partial failure of its structure [4.1.D.1b]
    3. Exhaust emits an excessive level of metered smoke for a turbo charged engine [7.4.B.3b]
    4. Rear (both) Shock absorber has a light misting of oil [2.7.3] as advisory items
    I decided to write the dealer with these faults and am considering dragging him all the way if he refuses to do nothing.

    Can I still get desired satisfactory motoring from this car if I decide to spend the above amount? What are my chances please advice.

    Many thanks
  2. Ichiban Founder Staff Team

    England CJ Leeds
    Hi Coco,

    Welcome to AOC sorry to hear about your issues, if it any consolation you are not the first one to buy a diesel lemon. We had a few cases of members joining up and then realising their mistakes. There is endless threads on here which highlights the pitfalls of buying a high mileage diesel.

    In your case you need to tell the seller a timing chain job done correctly is around 1800 pounds without the need for injectors. look up the timing chain thread which states all the parts for the job. If you get the job done get a oil change too half of the back street garages do the job without changing the oil.

    As for your MOT

    Point 1 that is natural wear and tear suspension is more prone to wear on the diesel as it heavier engine. a set of compliance bushes and drop links and even ARB bushes will resolve it. Cost with labour 350.00
    Point 2 when you mean lump is that a bulge on the tyre wall or uneven wear? bulge is damage to the side wall changing the tyre is the only option, uneven tyre can be rear camber out of spec
    Point 3 is the common cracked manifold
    Point 4 I wish MOT centres stopped scaring people every damper will have slight oil misting (IT IS Normal) if the damper leaks it creates a massive mess there is oil everywhere , so ignore that one.

    To get your fixed with the above ideally want 2500 to fix it provided that is what is found at the time of repair. if you then have drive shaft issue, clutch issues ,VSA issues which are also bound to happen it will be uneconomical to repair.

    Based on that try returning the car or reaching a settlement and then sell it immediately
  3. Coco Junior Member ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

    Thank you very much for the prompt and professional advice.
  4. Ichiban Founder Staff Team

    England CJ Leeds
  5. Pottermus Valued Contributor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

    How much did you pay for the car if you don't mind me asking?
  6. Coco Junior Member ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

    Sure, will keep house posted. Frankie, its 2400
  7. AccordCU2 Club Veteran ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

    United Kingdom Brum
    Hi Coco and welcome
    Sorry to hear of your troubles with the car,hope you find a suitable solution in the end.
  8. Pottermus Valued Contributor ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

    at £2400 its about on the money.

    I was just wondering if the seller knew the problems with the car and was pleading ignorance. Your best bet is get in touch with CAB and trading standards ASAP.

    How long exactly is "recently"?
  9. MickyB Club Veteran ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

    Hi and welcome sorry to hear of your problems. I would think that maybe the seller knew of the problems and wanted to move it on fast. Did it have any service history with it.
  10. Beefy Club Veteran ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

    United Kingdom Stoke
    you have allways got to be wary of cars with this sort of mileage.
  11. Coco Junior Member ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

    Frankie just bought the car on 27th of last month and I contacting the dealer the day after when faced with this issues.
    @MickyB, its got service history only showing general services and nothing major.

    If I may ask does the petrol version also have this issues cause am looking out for something with same look and feel. once beaten twice shy....
  12. Ichiban Founder Staff Team

    England CJ Leeds
    Petrol cars don't have any issues with timing chains , only the highly neglected engines with poor engine oil changes.

    The VTC actuator and the timing tensioner get stuck, which is fixable without a lot of money.
  13. Coco Junior Member ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

    Thanks to every one. I have written the dealer and expects response, this is a forum truely worth being part of. I appreciate the concern and support from every.
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  14. Coco Junior Member ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

    After about 3 months of rallying with the socket guys, Its time to update house. Had local garage replace timing chain and associated components and then the next faze surfaced- Car started suffering complete loss of power. Got a replacement MAF as requested by the garage but did not make any difference.

    Car was taken to a diesel specialist after about three weeks finger pointing by local garage, and EGR Valve diagnosed as the culprit. Had valve replaced after much pondering and car is now driving fine at-least, though with some humming noise suspected to be from the back wheel bearing.AM saving for something that won't blow my pocket at the moment.
  15. Doc Club Veteran ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

    Matt Peterborough
    Wheel bearings are a relatively straight forward fix. It's integrated into the hub which is held on by 4 bolts. If you're a competent home mechanic it's a Sunday afternoon job.
  16. Coco Junior Member ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

    Thank you very much DOC and thanks to all who has made this wonderful informative forum possible..
  17. wumps Junior Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

    also when looking for a derv one take into account there are alot of Accords running as private hire cars and taxis :Aghast: we use vw pasatt they do anything up to 500,000 and keep going as long as the oil is change reg and cam belt changed hope you get it sorted out see if you can find the previous owner and ask if it has been a taxi as a trader he is obligated to tell the purchaser its been a cab
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  18. SpeedyGee Administrator Staff Team

    England Speedy Birmingham
    Wumps, Accord diesels also can go upto very high mileages. The common problems such as VSA are due to poor German supplied parts. The petrol version which is made in Japan has no such issue. Suspension wear and tear is to be expected.

    As for timing change issues, this is purely down to poor maintanence, taxi drivers skimp on servicing and save themselves time and money (or so they think).
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  19. Coco Junior Member ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

    Wumps, the passat doing up to 500,000 are these petrol or diesel and would you know how affordable the parts are please? just need something that feel and handles fine but does not leave the wallet flat.
  20. wumps Junior Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

    i know the accord can do big milage i was just aying to see if it has been one because its the sellers obligation under trading standard to inform them if they have been

    we don't skimp on matinance that's why we get such good service out of them oil and filters done every month regardless of mileage timing belts always 5k before due parts for them are reasonable we run ones upto 2006 before the new shape we have one new shape one but tbh they aint upto the same quality as the older ones we had alot of probs with sensors the elec hadbrake ECT so we are looking at the skoda now as its got the old passat running gear on
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