General Poor Ground Clearance / Breakover Angle?

Discussion in '10th Generation (2016)' started by sc489, Tuesday 24th May, 2016.

  1. sc489 Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

    I note the Philippines brochure states the wheelbase is 2700mm and the ground clearance is only 133mm. This results in a poor calculated breakover angle of only 11.25 degrees (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakover_angle).

    This means the new Civic will be unable to negotiate steep changes in incline e.g. a steep driveway and severe speed bumps will need to be driven over very carefully to avoid damage to the under body. I hope the UK model will have better ground clearance, otherwise UK drivers will need to be careful how they drive the new model.

    In contrast, the current Mazda 3 is a more usable design having the same wheelbase of 2700mm but a having a better ground clearance of 155mm giving a breakover angle of 13.1 degrees.

    I cannot understand the current trend among car designers to keep extending wheelbase or lowering ground clearance (or both) resulting in a very poor breakover angle performance which makes the car design impractical unless you always drive on roads with shallow changes in incline.
     
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  2. legend-ary Moderator Staff Team

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    Different market have different demands. Suspension tuning is different, suspension components are different. That's the reason UK doesn't get USDM or JDM cars... One being too soft the other being too hard.

    In South Asia the Civic and Corolla etc get much taller suspension and smaller wheels to compensate for bad driving roads so I don't think you can compare any other market's spec with UK ones. Also UK Civic has historically been a unique design to the rest of the world who prefer sedans over hatchbacks.

    Much relevant comparison would be to look at US Civic and its dimensions as their hatchback will be built in Swindon while Coupe and Sedan will be local. Mind you Us cars have longer noses due to NHTSA requirements being different from Euro. Prime example is Honda FiT vs Jazz ...
     
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  3. sc489 Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

    OK - I might just buy one if the UK model has an acceptable breakover angle.
     
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  4. legend-ary Moderator Staff Team

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    Wait and see. :Smile:
     
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  5. sc489 Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

    Does anyone know the ground clearance and wheelbase of the new UK 2017 Civic? I looked at Honda's UK site and there is still no information. My post 1 suggests the breakover angle will be very poor and I'll have to rule out the new Civic since it won't handle the steep change in gradient on my drive. My current 7th Generation. Accord has a good breakover angle as does the revamped Mazda 3 Fastback which is my current choice to replace the Accord.
     
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  6. legend-ary Moderator Staff Team

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    Judging by the longish nose and larger wheelbase I wouldn't hold high hopes. Maybe worth getting a demo model out for a test drive and having a go.
     
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  7. FirstHonda Premium Member Club Supporter

    @sc489

    I assume (always dangerous!) that the many smaller SUVs on the market now don't have this issue?

    In which case the HR-V or CR-V are perhaps worthy of consideration?
     
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  8. sc489 Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

    You are correct that SUVs generally have a better breakover angle, although some are not as good as you may think. I don't really need a SUV and prefer a more 'traditional' saloon styling - hence my Mazda 3 Fastback interest. I'd also prefer to buy a Japanese manufactured car (UK supplied Mazdas are made in Japan) compared to a car like the HR-V made in Mexico.
     
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  9. sawf1 Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    Going by Specifications | The 2017 Civic | Honda Canada the wheelbase is 2.7m and the ground clearance with no load is 125mm. That gives a breakover angle of 10.6 degrees, so not great. Whats the minimum angle you think would be ok?
     
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