Suspension, Steering and Brakes Steering Vibration

Discussion in '1st Generation (2004-2011)' started by Ichiban, Monday 28th Jan, 2013.

  1. Ichiban Founder Staff Team

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    FR-V Owners Chassis code BE1, BE3, BE5 of Production year 2005 & 2006

    The Symptom
    The owners experiences abnormal vibration whilst driving at speeds in excess of 50MPH ,and can be felt through the steering wheel as well as the body. The body vibration is most noticeable when the front centre seat back is down and the driver rests his elbow on the seat.

    The Cause
    1. Wheel and tyre phasing* not controlled effectively resulting in wheel in-balance
    2. Steering design is sensitive to vibration and shimmy transmitted from road wheels.

    * on a separate thread

    The Fix
    Measure and adjust phasing of wheel and tyre at the production line. Add a dynamic damper to the steering wheel assy in order to absorb vibration and shimmy.


    The Diagnosis
    A guide to how to check each vehicle and how to judge which level can be improved upon.

    Pre test drive checks.
    • Please confirm all cold tyre pressures and adjust if necessary.
    • Check wheel balancing and adjust if necessary.
    • Is the car fitted with steel wheels?
    If YES, the dealer will check on the VIN cut off is pre or post fix for out of specification wheel hub.
    If the car is prior to this fix ,the dealer will have to order replacement wheels.
    If the car post to this fix the dealer will need to carry out test drive.

    Test drive
    Drive the vehicle at a speed of 50MPH-70MPH preferably on a motorway with a smooth road surface. Whilst applying a minimal amount of force to the steering wheel, monitor the vibration level through the wheel and check visually for wheel vibration / movement.
    If both physical vibration through the wheel together with visual vibration/ movement is evident, then it may be possible to improve this level.

    Application to Production Line
    Honda addressed the issue on these model after this issue was known.

    JHMBE17206S204518 Steel 15x6JJ
    JHMBE3***6S204832 Steel and Alloy16x6 1/2JJ
    JHMBE5***6S213905 Alloy 16x6 1/2JJ
    JHMBE5***6S214158 Steel 16X6 1/2JJ
    Steering dynamic damper was introduced from 07 model year start up. if not sure always consult your local dealer.

    The Repair Method
    • Proceed to check for any signs of damage on any of the wheel,steering and suspension components.
    • Carry out Wheel Runout Inspection referring to the workshop manual.

    Special Note :- Make sure inner wheel rim is fully cleaned before measuring with DTI (Dial Test Indicator).

    The entire process of troubleshoot and ficing this issue is in excess of four hours so please bear this in mind the dealer has a lot of tasks to do so don't be shocked to hear the cost to diagnose and resolve this issue.

    Lastly use this information for your knowledge but not a leverage to negotiate free work, please be reasonable in your demands with the dealer this information must not be used to jump on freeloader gravy train.
     
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  2. foursail Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

    I have a 2005 2.0 FR-V petrol with standard alloys which experiences this shaking when i get to 50mph accelerating through to 60 the steering judders then go's off when im into 60 and above but not while decelerating. and seems to be worse on an incline. I've had new tyres on balanced etc pressures are all spot on. Whats the likelihood that the item described above is causing these symptoms or a driveshaft problem like in a previous post? how would i know if its a driveshaft problem? many thanks
     
  3. ArcticFire Club Veteran ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

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    Just in case, my current CR-V had vibration problems and Honda, Kwikcon and a local tyre specialist couldn't fix it with balancing. In an off chance I checked out a local National Tyres depot and they had just got a brand new balancing machine in. Sorted it perfect! Had to go back recently as pot holes etc had caused a vibration to return at higher speeds and it's perfect again.

    I reckon the other places needed their machines recalibrated perhaps. Could be worth checking this out.
     
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  4. foursail Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

    That's good I've got the dreaded MOT tomorrow so will see what that turns up. It's not knocking or clonking or whining as if it's a bearing or drive shaft. Hope it is simple as something as that as I may have to get rid if it's mega bucks
     
  5. SpeedyGee Administrator Staff Team

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    Speed and load related vibration can often be down to a worn driveshaft.
     
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  6. foursail Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

    Passed MOT fine no advisories took it to council run MOT centre. Mechanics were even admiring it ! Will try the easy things first bushes, balancing etc and have a good look at CV joints. I know it will be sourcing a replacement will be the hard part as I'll have a go changing it myself. Thanks for replies
     
  7. foursail Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

    Update when I had the mothership in for other work had them check it out it was the inner CV joint causing the vibration had them replaced both sides all running smooth again
     
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  8. copytron Junior Member ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    Hi guys,

    I'm suffering slight steering vibration. Tried the obvious new tyres, wheel balance (x3 times in different places) and tracking but only got it marginally better. I'm thinking inner CV joints need replacing but not 100%. I'll do myself and make a tutorial for the craic and post. Any way of checking CV joints before committing?
    I was thinking doing wheel bearings just to eliminate but none of the symptoms indicate that.

    In typical Vulcan fashion :zen:, I'm not best pleased at the tiny steering shake so need solve this before the old pon farr :shock: kicks in and I shite a torpedo in a crazy emotional rage :help:
     
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  9. ArcticFire Club Veteran ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

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    Worth checking for a buckled wheel. My nsf is slightly buckled but I've managed to get it almost balanced out. It's very slight now. Hit a real bad pothole a few weeks ago.
     
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  10. copytron Junior Member ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    Hi ArticFire,
    I'll throw a dial indicator on them at the weekend and have a look, thanks for the tip! :salute:
     
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  11. Aniki56 Junior Member ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    First of all: what a great resource this forum is! Great to have found it...

    I'm about the buy a 2007 1.8 FR-V with 88000km. The car looks great, is in great condition and will be handed off with full inspection. Everything good so far but... there was a huge vibration in the steering wheel when I took it out for a test drive. Above 110km/h the vibration started and didnt change above that speed. Below there were no issues.

    Reading this and other threads, it could be a balancing issue. I've read about just rebalancing the wheels or switching the fronts with the backs but I've also read that it could be the driveshafts. (read the thread about that but not sure what 'CV' means) I also read that some models just have problems with vibration that cannot be solved.

    The car is a 240km drive away from me and I basically already signed the contract which clearly states that the vibration will be fixed. However, I wonder if they will really be able to fix it without spending too much time and money on it. They are not a Honda dealer and this car was traded in for a new Ford or Opel.

    Any words of advice?
     
  12. Aniki56 Junior Member ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    What is 'CV'?
     
  13. Ichiban Founder Staff Team

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  14. Aniki56 Junior Member ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    Ah thanks! We call that the homikineet :Tongue:
     
  15. honda_saj Top Contributor ★ ★ ★ ★ ☆

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    Could be CV joint which is connected to driveshaft, but first I would re balance all your wheels ensure they are on 0, too many cowboy tyre places out there, swap rear wheels with front wheels. Then go from there if your CV joint is worn you should hear some noise like clicking on full turn, knocking noise over bumps or whining noise when driving. You may get one or more of these symptoms, there are two CV joints per driveshaft nearside and offside. Keep us posted if anyone can add to my advise please do so

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  16. Aniki56 Junior Member ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    Thanks, I sent out a lenghty email to the dealer to make sure they check all this so at least im covered when something goes wrong. Either the vibration is not fixed when im picking up the car in which case i will not be buying it or something goes wrong within 12 months and it is still warranty so at least I can point out to the fact that I mentioned this...

    Still not 100% sure if they can fix and together with the aftermarket rims, kind of weird.
     
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  17. Aniki56 Junior Member ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    So I went ahead and bought the car. The guy from the car ownership did a final test drive with me and if was difficult for me to judge if it was really still present. They balanced the car, but that didnt solve the problem. They said the wear on the tyre caused it so they also fitted four new tyres, did two test drives and said it was solved. They assured me it was not the CV but what do i know...

    I clearly still felt it but definitely not as much as before. The weird thing was that in some places on the motorway, the steer was completely calm. So the guy said it was because of the road surface and I couldn't really argue against it because I didnt know how it was like to drive there with another car.

    Now back home on my ususal stretches of motorway, the problem persists but again not always. it is most notably around 120km/h. I still have to find the variable that causes it to vibrate more though...

    I have a 12 month warranty but its a long drive there so I might bring it into our local Honda dealer and explain the situation although I wonder if they know anything about this in the first place...
     
  18. honda_saj Top Contributor ★ ★ ★ ★ ☆

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    were looking at CV joints or in worst case driveshaft did you report of wheel balance and aligmnment that would be the first thing also does car pull to any side when on motorway if steering if let go of for a moment
     
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  19. Aniki56 Junior Member ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    Actually, I did notice a slight movement to the right when I let go of the wheel. But its not that apparent. I can also put the wheel a little to the left and it would more or less 'stick' if you know what I mean...

    But they fitted new tyres and balanced them so I assume there everything should be ok..??
     
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